Is arceus boundless?

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No but he is pretty underrated, people think the pokemon form of arceus is arceus but it isnt, its just a very small piece of himself (Which outscales nearly everyone in the verse even people that can move continents and flood the earth and shit) Actual arceus is Low Complex or 5 D at the Least since hes transcended to everyone below him in his true form

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No, nowhere near 1-A. He's on Low 1-C along with someone like Hades, CC/Xeno Goku or others relevant DBH cast, and others.

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#4  Edited By mutantheroic

If a God needed infinite layers of immortality, then it depended on infinite amount of objects external to itself that it cannot recreate in case it lost those infinite layers, and thus couldn't create infinity out of nothing with 0 energy requirements, which means it lacks infinite strength, which means it couldn't carry those infinite layers, so Arceus isn't even infinite.

An infinite god isn't an infinite set nor an infinite number, an infinite god must necessarily transcend or precede sets and can't be reducible to quantitative infinity, they must be qualitatively infinite, greater than the sum of their parts, their infinite power must not depend on justification if they are ever to create quantitative infinity out of nothing so you can't reduce them to 'parts', and quite unlike the quantitative infinities that don't transcend the sum of their parts. But here the guy thinks an infinite god doesn't transcend the sum of their parts, so Arceus isn't infinite at all.

So no, Arceus isn't boundless, not even infinite but that's OK a majority of 'god' verses don't know how infinity works either and treat it like a DBZ powerlevel.

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Hell nah.

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@shadyyyyyy said:

No but he is pretty underrated, people think the pokemon form of arceus is arceus but it isnt, its just a very small piece of himself (Which outscales nearly everyone in the verse even people that can move continents and flood the earth and shit) Actual arceus is Low Complex or 5 D at the Least since hes transcended to everyone below him in his true form

At most, his feats has shown he can at least destroy a universe overtime, so there is that.

@ryuko_matoi77 said:

No, nowhere near 1-A. He's on Low 1-C along with someone like Hades, CC/Xeno Goku or others relevant DBH cast, and others.

Vsbattles is stupid

Im talking more so about True Arceus, not just the weird avatar thing that he uses

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@shadyyyyyy said:
@akulakhannumidi said:
@shadyyyyyy said:

No but he is pretty underrated, people think the pokemon form of arceus is arceus but it isnt, its just a very small piece of himself (Which outscales nearly everyone in the verse even people that can move continents and flood the earth and shit) Actual arceus is Low Complex or 5 D at the Least since hes transcended to everyone below him in his true form

At most, his feats has shown he can at least destroy a universe overtime, so there is that.

@ryuko_matoi77 said:

No, nowhere near 1-A. He's on Low 1-C along with someone like Hades, CC/Xeno Goku or others relevant DBH cast, and others.

Vsbattles is stupid

Im talking more so about True Arceus, not just the weird avatar thing that he uses

That's currently featless.

Where are these statements about avatars ? None game has said Arceus consists of avatars.

If we talk about that discount Zelda Breath of The Wild game where Palkia and Dialga are ugly ponnies, in that game "part of Arceus" is literal legendary plate which will transform Arceus into type favouring the battle (like turn him into ice type if you fight dragon type pokemon or fire type if you fight steel type). Plates are part of Arceus logically so that is "part of him". It is the same as Blue Orb or Red Orb being part of Kyogre/Groudon or meteors being part of Rayquaza.

To me this is just another GOW wank or Devil May Cry wank tier blog where random kids want pokemonverse to be strong so they will lick milk out of their antennaes.

Also since when Pokemonverse has actual cosmology, canon and continuity ? This verse seemed to be like Super Mario where no games has relations to each other (even Mario Galaxy 1 and Galaxy 2)

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@akulakhannumidi said:
@platinumfanboy1 said:
@akulakhannumidi said:
@shadyyyyyy said:
@akulakhannumidi said:
@shadyyyyyy said:

No but he is pretty underrated, people think the pokemon form of arceus is arceus but it isnt, its just a very small piece of himself (Which outscales nearly everyone in the verse even people that can move continents and flood the earth and shit) Actual arceus is Low Complex or 5 D at the Least since hes transcended to everyone below him in his true form

At most, his feats has shown he can at least destroy a universe overtime, so there is that.

@ryuko_matoi77 said:

No, nowhere near 1-A. He's on Low 1-C along with someone like Hades, CC/Xeno Goku or others relevant DBH cast, and others.

Vsbattles is stupid

Im talking more so about True Arceus, not just the weird avatar thing that he uses

That's currently featless.

Where are these statements about avatars ? None game has said Arceus consists of avatars.

If we talk about that discount Zelda Breath of The Wild game where Palkia and Dialga are ugly ponnies, in that game "part of Arceus" is literal legendary plate which will transform Arceus into type favouring the battle (like turn him into ice type if you fight dragon type pokemon or fire type if you fight steel type). Plates are part of Arceus logically so that is "part of him". It is the same as Blue Orb or Red Orb being part of Kyogre/Groudon or meteors being part of Rayquaza.

To me this is just another GOW wank or Devil May Cry wank tier blog where random kids want pokemonverse to be strong so they will lick milk out of their antennaes.

Also since when Pokemonverse has actual cosmology, canon and continuity ? This verse seemed to be like Super Mario where no games has relations to each other (even Mario Galaxy 1 and Galaxy 2)

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#17  Edited By Omega7373663
@platinumfanboy1 said:
@akulakhannumidi said:
@shadyyyyyy said:
@akulakhannumidi said:
@shadyyyyyy said:

No but he is pretty underrated, people think the pokemon form of arceus is arceus but it isnt, its just a very small piece of himself (Which outscales nearly everyone in the verse even people that can move continents and flood the earth and shit) Actual arceus is Low Complex or 5 D at the Least since hes transcended to everyone below him in his true form

At most, his feats has shown he can at least destroy a universe overtime, so there is that.

@ryuko_matoi77 said:

No, nowhere near 1-A. He's on Low 1-C along with someone like Hades, CC/Xeno Goku or others relevant DBH cast, and others.

Vsbattles is stupid

Im talking more so about True Arceus, not just the weird avatar thing that he uses

That's currently featless.

Where are these statements about avatars ? None game has said Arceus consists of avatars.

If we talk about that discount Zelda Breath of The Wild game where Palkia and Dialga are ugly ponnies, in that game "part of Arceus" is literal legendary plate which will transform Arceus into type favouring the battle (like turn him into ice type if you fight dragon type pokemon or fire type if you fight steel type). Plates are part of Arceus logically so that is "part of him". It is the same as Blue Orb or Red Orb being part of Kyogre/Groudon or meteors being part of Rayquaza.

To me this is just another GOW wank or Devil May Cry wank tier blog where random kids want pokemonverse to be strong so they will lick milk out of their antennaes.

Also since when Pokemonverse has actual cosmology, canon and continuity ? This verse seemed to be like Super Mario where no games has relations to each other (even Mario Galaxy 1 and Galaxy 2)

Where are these statements about avatars ? None game has said Arceus consists of avatars.

Arceus is confirmed to have avatars as seen in "Pokemon legends Arceus" where Arceus decided to give a piece of himself to the player.

Also since when Pokemonverse has actual cosmology, canon and continuity ?

There is the anime continuity, the Manga continuity,... etc so pokemon has many continuities, as for the games they were all shown to be connected to each other, this is a proven fact unlike Mario

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@platinumfanboy1 said:
@akulakhannumidi said:
@shadyyyyyy said:
@akulakhannumidi said:
@shadyyyyyy said:

No but he is pretty underrated, people think the pokemon form of arceus is arceus but it isnt, its just a very small piece of himself (Which outscales nearly everyone in the verse even people that can move continents and flood the earth and shit) Actual arceus is Low Complex or 5 D at the Least since hes transcended to everyone below him in his true form

At most, his feats has shown he can at least destroy a universe overtime, so there is that.

@ryuko_matoi77 said:

No, nowhere near 1-A. He's on Low 1-C along with someone like Hades, CC/Xeno Goku or others relevant DBH cast, and others.

Vsbattles is stupid

Im talking more so about True Arceus, not just the weird avatar thing that he uses

That's currently featless.

Where are these statements about avatars ? None game has said Arceus consists of avatars.

If we talk about that discount Zelda Breath of The Wild game where Palkia and Dialga are ugly ponnies, in that game "part of Arceus" is literal legendary plate which will transform Arceus into type favouring the battle (like turn him into ice type if you fight dragon type pokemon or fire type if you fight steel type). Plates are part of Arceus logically so that is "part of him". It is the same as Blue Orb or Red Orb being part of Kyogre/Groudon or meteors being part of Rayquaza.

To me this is just another GOW wank or Devil May Cry wank tier blog where random kids want pokemonverse to be strong so they will lick milk out of their antennaes.

Also since when Pokemonverse has actual cosmology, canon and continuity ? This verse seemed to be like Super Mario where no games has relations to each other (even Mario Galaxy 1 and Galaxy 2)

Where are these statements about avatars ? None game has said Arceus consists of avatars.

Arceus is confirmed to have avatars as seen in "Pokemon legends Arceus" where Arceus decided to give a piece of himself to the player.

Except the piece of Arceus himself is the plate. Arceus gives "piece of himself". Game: "You received the legendary plate". Is that hard to comprehend the game itself and it's message or brainset of Pokemontards is as f*cked as brain structure of Devil May Cry fanboys or God Of War fanboys ?

Also since when Pokemonverse has actual cosmology, canon and continuity ?

There is the anime continuity, the Manga continuity,... etc so pokemon has many continuities, as for the games they were all shown to be connected to each other, this is a proven fact unlike Mario

Like implying each game cartridge is own universe ? Like in every game you can catch own Legendaries including spacetime trio, sex dolls from 3 lakes, creation white-gold pony ? So which pokemon version is now ultimate canon Soulsilver or Heartgold ? Platinum, pearl or diamond (or it's shitty witch remakes called briliantdiamond or shiny pearl) ? White, Black, White 2 or Black 2 ?

"But it is all the same but different story with different pokemon"

Pokeverse has 0 continuity in games. Anime, Manga and games do not fill each other they are seperate things.

Also canon makes no sense, because somehow there are happening a lot of space bending events in world and Palkia do not care about this. Celebi and Turo/Sado go time travel brrrrrrr and Dialga do not give a damn. THere are so much world threatening events and Arceus doesn't care about it when humanity attempts to weaponise strong legendaries.

XY first introduced lore of mega evolution stones giving own origin, but ORAS retcons all of it with random space meteor where Rayquaza is first who megaevolved instead of Lucario.

Once toon force universe like Mario and Kirby always a verse with 0 continuity.

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@platinumfanboy1 said:
@akulakhannumidi said:
@akulakhannumidi said:
@platinumfanboy1 said:
@akulakhannumidi said:
@shadyyyyyy said:
@akulakhannumidi said:
@shadyyyyyy said:

No but he is pretty underrated, people think the pokemon form of arceus is arceus but it isnt, its just a very small piece of himself (Which outscales nearly everyone in the verse even people that can move continents and flood the earth and shit) Actual arceus is Low Complex or 5 D at the Least since hes transcended to everyone below him in his true form

At most, his feats has shown he can at least destroy a universe overtime, so there is that.

@ryuko_matoi77 said:

No, nowhere near 1-A. He's on Low 1-C along with someone like Hades, CC/Xeno Goku or others relevant DBH cast, and others.

Vsbattles is stupid

Im talking more so about True Arceus, not just the weird avatar thing that he uses

That's currently featless.

Where are these statements about avatars ? None game has said Arceus consists of avatars.

If we talk about that discount Zelda Breath of The Wild game where Palkia and Dialga are ugly ponnies, in that game "part of Arceus" is literal legendary plate which will transform Arceus into type favouring the battle (like turn him into ice type if you fight dragon type pokemon or fire type if you fight steel type). Plates are part of Arceus logically so that is "part of him". It is the same as Blue Orb or Red Orb being part of Kyogre/Groudon or meteors being part of Rayquaza.

To me this is just another GOW wank or Devil May Cry wank tier blog where random kids want pokemonverse to be strong so they will lick milk out of their antennaes.

Also since when Pokemonverse has actual cosmology, canon and continuity ? This verse seemed to be like Super Mario where no games has relations to each other (even Mario Galaxy 1 and Galaxy 2)

Mama7 strikes again!

Mama7 fixed notifications!!! Woohoo!!!

Says guy with 99 comments ?

If you were banned as well, no need to be ironic.

What. How salty are you about your ban? I'm simply making fun of you.

So why your current account have 99+ comments ? You make fun of me while being banned before so needed to create new account of yours ?

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#20  Edited By Omega7373663
@platinumfanboy1 said:
@omega7373663 said:
@platinumfanboy1 said:
@akulakhannumidi said:
@shadyyyyyy said:
@akulakhannumidi said:
@shadyyyyyy said:

No but he is pretty underrated, people think the pokemon form of arceus is arceus but it isnt, its just a very small piece of himself (Which outscales nearly everyone in the verse even people that can move continents and flood the earth and shit) Actual arceus is Low Complex or 5 D at the Least since hes transcended to everyone below him in his true form

At most, his feats has shown he can at least destroy a universe overtime, so there is that.

@ryuko_matoi77 said:

No, nowhere near 1-A. He's on Low 1-C along with someone like Hades, CC/Xeno Goku or others relevant DBH cast, and others.

Vsbattles is stupid

Im talking more so about True Arceus, not just the weird avatar thing that he uses

That's currently featless.

Where are these statements about avatars ? None game has said Arceus consists of avatars.

If we talk about that discount Zelda Breath of The Wild game where Palkia and Dialga are ugly ponnies, in that game "part of Arceus" is literal legendary plate which will transform Arceus into type favouring the battle (like turn him into ice type if you fight dragon type pokemon or fire type if you fight steel type). Plates are part of Arceus logically so that is "part of him". It is the same as Blue Orb or Red Orb being part of Kyogre/Groudon or meteors being part of Rayquaza.

To me this is just another GOW wank or Devil May Cry wank tier blog where random kids want pokemonverse to be strong so they will lick milk out of their antennaes.

Also since when Pokemonverse has actual cosmology, canon and continuity ? This verse seemed to be like Super Mario where no games has relations to each other (even Mario Galaxy 1 and Galaxy 2)

Where are these statements about avatars ? None game has said Arceus consists of avatars.

Arceus is confirmed to have avatars as seen in "Pokemon legends Arceus" where Arceus decided to give a piece of himself to the player.

Except the piece of Arceus himself is the plate. Arceus gives "piece of himself". Game: "You received the legendary plate". Is that hard to comprehend the game itself and it's message or brainset of Pokemontards is as f*cked as brain structure of Devil May Cry fanboys or God Of War fanboys ?

Also since when Pokemonverse has actual cosmology, canon and continuity ?

There is the anime continuity, the Manga continuity,... etc so pokemon has many continuities, as for the games they were all shown to be connected to each other, this is a proven fact unlike Mario

Like implying each game cartridge is own universe ? Like in every game you can catch own Legendaries including spacetime trio, sex dolls from 3 lakes, creation white-gold pony ? So which pokemon version is now ultimate canon Soulsilver or Heartgold ? Platinum, pearl or diamond (or it's shitty witch remakes called briliantdiamond or shiny pearl) ? White, Black, White 2 or Black 2 ?

"But it is all the same but different story with different pokemon"

Pokeverse has 0 continuity in games. Anime, Manga and games do not fill each other they are seperate things.

Also canon makes no sense, because somehow there are happening a lot of space bending events in world and Palkia do not care about this. Celebi and Turo/Sado go time travel brrrrrrr and Dialga do not give a damn. THere are so much world threatening events and Arceus doesn't care about it when humanity attempts to weaponise strong legendaries.

XY first introduced lore of mega evolution stones giving own origin, but ORAS retcons all of it with random space meteor where Rayquaza is first who megaevolved instead of Lucario.

Once toon force universe like Mario and Kirby always a verse with 0 continuity.

Except the piece of Arceus himself is the plate. Arceus gives "piece of himself". Game: "You received the legendary plate". Is that hard to comprehend the game itself and it's message or brainset of Pokemontards is as f*cked as brain structure of Devil May Cry fanboys or God Of War fanboys ?

Arceus gives you the legendary plate and another Arceus, he literally creates an other Arceus for the player

Like implying each game cartridge is own universe ? Like in every game you can catch own Legendaries including spacetime trio, sex dolls from 3 lakes, creation white-gold pony ? So which pokemon version is now ultimate canon Soulsilver or Heartgold ? Platinum, pearl or diamond (or it's shitty witch remakes called briliantdiamond or shiny pearl) ? White, Black, White 2 or Black 2 ?

They are alternatives universes but shares the same cosmology, they are a part of the same canon, pokemon has a multiverse and each universe represents it's own game with it's own main characters, thus different continuities but they still share the same canon regardless. Heck I recall one of the creators claiming that the anime and Manga and games all exist in the same cosmology

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@platinumfanboy1 said:
@omega7373663 said:
@platinumfanboy1 said:
@akulakhannumidi said:
@shadyyyyyy said:
@akulakhannumidi said:
@shadyyyyyy said:

No but he is pretty underrated, people think the pokemon form of arceus is arceus but it isnt, its just a very small piece of himself (Which outscales nearly everyone in the verse even people that can move continents and flood the earth and shit) Actual arceus is Low Complex or 5 D at the Least since hes transcended to everyone below him in his true form

At most, his feats has shown he can at least destroy a universe overtime, so there is that.

@ryuko_matoi77 said:

No, nowhere near 1-A. He's on Low 1-C along with someone like Hades, CC/Xeno Goku or others relevant DBH cast, and others.

Vsbattles is stupid

Im talking more so about True Arceus, not just the weird avatar thing that he uses

That's currently featless.

Where are these statements about avatars ? None game has said Arceus consists of avatars.

If we talk about that discount Zelda Breath of The Wild game where Palkia and Dialga are ugly ponnies, in that game "part of Arceus" is literal legendary plate which will transform Arceus into type favouring the battle (like turn him into ice type if you fight dragon type pokemon or fire type if you fight steel type). Plates are part of Arceus logically so that is "part of him". It is the same as Blue Orb or Red Orb being part of Kyogre/Groudon or meteors being part of Rayquaza.

To me this is just another GOW wank or Devil May Cry wank tier blog where random kids want pokemonverse to be strong so they will lick milk out of their antennaes.

Also since when Pokemonverse has actual cosmology, canon and continuity ? This verse seemed to be like Super Mario where no games has relations to each other (even Mario Galaxy 1 and Galaxy 2)

Where are these statements about avatars ? None game has said Arceus consists of avatars.

Arceus is confirmed to have avatars as seen in "Pokemon legends Arceus" where Arceus decided to give a piece of himself to the player.

Except the piece of Arceus himself is the plate. Arceus gives "piece of himself". Game: "You received the legendary plate". Is that hard to comprehend the game itself and it's message or brainset of Pokemontards is as f*cked as brain structure of Devil May Cry fanboys or God Of War fanboys ?

Also since when Pokemonverse has actual cosmology, canon and continuity ?

There is the anime continuity, the Manga continuity,... etc so pokemon has many continuities, as for the games they were all shown to be connected to each other, this is a proven fact unlike Mario

Like implying each game cartridge is own universe ? Like in every game you can catch own Legendaries including spacetime trio, sex dolls from 3 lakes, creation white-gold pony ? So which pokemon version is now ultimate canon Soulsilver or Heartgold ? Platinum, pearl or diamond (or it's shitty witch remakes called briliantdiamond or shiny pearl) ? White, Black, White 2 or Black 2 ?

"But it is all the same but different story with different pokemon"

Pokeverse has 0 continuity in games. Anime, Manga and games do not fill each other they are seperate things.

Also canon makes no sense, because somehow there are happening a lot of space bending events in world and Palkia do not care about this. Celebi and Turo/Sado go time travel brrrrrrr and Dialga do not give a damn. THere are so much world threatening events and Arceus doesn't care about it when humanity attempts to weaponise strong legendaries.

XY first introduced lore of mega evolution stones giving own origin, but ORAS retcons all of it with random space meteor where Rayquaza is first who megaevolved instead of Lucario.

Once toon force universe like Mario and Kirby always a verse with 0 continuity.

Except the piece of Arceus himself is the plate. Arceus gives "piece of himself". Game: "You received the legendary plate". Is that hard to comprehend the game itself and it's message or brainset of Pokemontards is as f*cked as brain structure of Devil May Cry fanboys or God Of War fanboys ?

Arceus gives you the legendary plate and another Arceus, he literally creates an other Arceus for the player

Like implying each game cartridge is own universe ? Like in every game you can catch own Legendaries including spacetime trio, sex dolls from 3 lakes, creation white-gold pony ? So which pokemon version is now ultimate canon Soulsilver or Heartgold ? Platinum, pearl or diamond (or it's shitty witch remakes called briliantdiamond or shiny pearl) ? White, Black, White 2 or Black 2 ?

They are alternatives universes but shares the same cosmology, they are a part of the same canon, pokemon has a multiverse and each universe represents it's own game with it's own main characters, thus different continuities but they still share the same canon regardless. Heck I recall one of the creators claiming that the anime and Manga and games all exist in the same cosmology

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Ok show me where he says it is Darkseid-like avatar of him ?

"And i bestow part of myself" = translation: I will give you something as reward what is typical of all pokemon games.

"I would walk this world (...)" => SENTENCE WRITTEN IN A FIRST PERSON. If sentence would be written in third person ("It would walk this world (...)") it would make sense with your headcanon. But whatever game says it is main canon or you are like some Legend of Zelda community copers with own personal heacanon using countless Hitchen Razors to prove your truth denying what is written in the game or official lore guidebooks (like people who say Hyrule Historia and Zelda Encyclopedia aren't canon to Zeldaverse).

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@platinumfanboy1 said:
@omega7373663 said:
@platinumfanboy1 said:
@omega7373663 said:
@platinumfanboy1 said:
@akulakhannumidi said:
@shadyyyyyy said:
@akulakhannumidi said:
@shadyyyyyy said:

No but he is pretty underrated, people think the pokemon form of arceus is arceus but it isnt, its just a very small piece of himself (Which outscales nearly everyone in the verse even people that can move continents and flood the earth and shit) Actual arceus is Low Complex or 5 D at the Least since hes transcended to everyone below him in his true form

At most, his feats has shown he can at least destroy a universe overtime, so there is that.

@ryuko_matoi77 said:

No, nowhere near 1-A. He's on Low 1-C along with someone like Hades, CC/Xeno Goku or others relevant DBH cast, and others.

Vsbattles is stupid

Im talking more so about True Arceus, not just the weird avatar thing that he uses

That's currently featless.

Where are these statements about avatars ? None game has said Arceus consists of avatars.

If we talk about that discount Zelda Breath of The Wild game where Palkia and Dialga are ugly ponnies, in that game "part of Arceus" is literal legendary plate which will transform Arceus into type favouring the battle (like turn him into ice type if you fight dragon type pokemon or fire type if you fight steel type). Plates are part of Arceus logically so that is "part of him". It is the same as Blue Orb or Red Orb being part of Kyogre/Groudon or meteors being part of Rayquaza.

To me this is just another GOW wank or Devil May Cry wank tier blog where random kids want pokemonverse to be strong so they will lick milk out of their antennaes.

Also since when Pokemonverse has actual cosmology, canon and continuity ? This verse seemed to be like Super Mario where no games has relations to each other (even Mario Galaxy 1 and Galaxy 2)

Where are these statements about avatars ? None game has said Arceus consists of avatars.

Arceus is confirmed to have avatars as seen in "Pokemon legends Arceus" where Arceus decided to give a piece of himself to the player.

Except the piece of Arceus himself is the plate. Arceus gives "piece of himself". Game: "You received the legendary plate". Is that hard to comprehend the game itself and it's message or brainset of Pokemontards is as f*cked as brain structure of Devil May Cry fanboys or God Of War fanboys ?

Also since when Pokemonverse has actual cosmology, canon and continuity ?

There is the anime continuity, the Manga continuity,... etc so pokemon has many continuities, as for the games they were all shown to be connected to each other, this is a proven fact unlike Mario

Like implying each game cartridge is own universe ? Like in every game you can catch own Legendaries including spacetime trio, sex dolls from 3 lakes, creation white-gold pony ? So which pokemon version is now ultimate canon Soulsilver or Heartgold ? Platinum, pearl or diamond (or it's shitty witch remakes called briliantdiamond or shiny pearl) ? White, Black, White 2 or Black 2 ?

"But it is all the same but different story with different pokemon"

Pokeverse has 0 continuity in games. Anime, Manga and games do not fill each other they are seperate things.

Also canon makes no sense, because somehow there are happening a lot of space bending events in world and Palkia do not care about this. Celebi and Turo/Sado go time travel brrrrrrr and Dialga do not give a damn. THere are so much world threatening events and Arceus doesn't care about it when humanity attempts to weaponise strong legendaries.

XY first introduced lore of mega evolution stones giving own origin, but ORAS retcons all of it with random space meteor where Rayquaza is first who megaevolved instead of Lucario.

Once toon force universe like Mario and Kirby always a verse with 0 continuity.

Except the piece of Arceus himself is the plate. Arceus gives "piece of himself". Game: "You received the legendary plate". Is that hard to comprehend the game itself and it's message or brainset of Pokemontards is as f*cked as brain structure of Devil May Cry fanboys or God Of War fanboys ?

Arceus gives you the legendary plate and another Arceus, he literally creates an other Arceus for the player

Like implying each game cartridge is own universe ? Like in every game you can catch own Legendaries including spacetime trio, sex dolls from 3 lakes, creation white-gold pony ? So which pokemon version is now ultimate canon Soulsilver or Heartgold ? Platinum, pearl or diamond (or it's shitty witch remakes called briliantdiamond or shiny pearl) ? White, Black, White 2 or Black 2 ?

They are alternatives universes but shares the same cosmology, they are a part of the same canon, pokemon has a multiverse and each universe represents it's own game with it's own main characters, thus different continuities but they still share the same canon regardless. Heck I recall one of the creators claiming that the anime and Manga and games all exist in the same cosmology

Loading Video...

Ok show me where he says it is Darkseid-like avatar of him ?

"And i bestow part of myself" = translation: I will give you something as reward what is typical of all pokemon games.

"I would walk this world (...)" => SENTENCE WRITTEN IN A FIRST PERSON. If sentence would be written in third person ("It would walk this world (...)") it would make sense with your headcanon. But whatever game says it is main canon or you are like some Legend of Zelda community copers with own personal heacanon using countless Hitchen Razors to prove your truth denying what is written in the game or official lore guidebooks (like people who say Hyrule Historia and Zelda Encyclopedia aren't canon to Zeldaverse).

Ok show me where he says it is Darkseid-like avatar of him ?

I don't know almost anything about Darkside so can't say anything about this

"And i bestow part of myself" = translation: I will give you something as reward what is typical of all pokemon games

Yeah and that reward is : a legendary plate + an avatar of Arceus

"I would walk this world (...)" => SENTENCE WRITTEN IN A FIRST PERSON. If sentence would be written in third person ("It would walk this world (...)")

It simply proves that Arceus shares a part of his own consciousness with his avatars which is a common thing for Avatars in fiction , we know this because true form Arceus himself doesn't go anywhere, after you finish the game you can still find him in his own realm and even battle him using the Arceus he gave you

it would make sense with your headcanon

Except it's not my headcanon ? It's a proven fact shown in game

But whatever game says it is main canon or you are like some Legend of Zelda community copers with own personal heacanon using countless Hitchen Razors to prove your truth denying what is written in the game or official lore guidebooks (like people who say Hyrule Historia and Zelda Encyclopedia aren't canon to Zeldaverse).

What...are you even talking about at this point ? I don't you at all

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@platinumfanboy1: an other thing is I don't really wank Arceus, in fact I think he's a fodder Jobber with trash physicals but he does have avatar creation, that's just facts

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@platinumfanboy1 said:
@omega7373663 said:
@platinumfanboy1 said:
@omega7373663 said:
@platinumfanboy1 said:
@akulakhannumidi said:
@shadyyyyyy said:
@akulakhannumidi said:
@shadyyyyyy said:

No but he is pretty underrated, people think the pokemon form of arceus is arceus but it isnt, its just a very small piece of himself (Which outscales nearly everyone in the verse even people that can move continents and flood the earth and shit) Actual arceus is Low Complex or 5 D at the Least since hes transcended to everyone below him in his true form

At most, his feats has shown he can at least destroy a universe overtime, so there is that.

@ryuko_matoi77 said:

No, nowhere near 1-A. He's on Low 1-C along with someone like Hades, CC/Xeno Goku or others relevant DBH cast, and others.

Vsbattles is stupid

Im talking more so about True Arceus, not just the weird avatar thing that he uses

That's currently featless.

Where are these statements about avatars ? None game has said Arceus consists of avatars.

If we talk about that discount Zelda Breath of The Wild game where Palkia and Dialga are ugly ponnies, in that game "part of Arceus" is literal legendary plate which will transform Arceus into type favouring the battle (like turn him into ice type if you fight dragon type pokemon or fire type if you fight steel type). Plates are part of Arceus logically so that is "part of him". It is the same as Blue Orb or Red Orb being part of Kyogre/Groudon or meteors being part of Rayquaza.

To me this is just another GOW wank or Devil May Cry wank tier blog where random kids want pokemonverse to be strong so they will lick milk out of their antennaes.

Also since when Pokemonverse has actual cosmology, canon and continuity ? This verse seemed to be like Super Mario where no games has relations to each other (even Mario Galaxy 1 and Galaxy 2)

Where are these statements about avatars ? None game has said Arceus consists of avatars.

Arceus is confirmed to have avatars as seen in "Pokemon legends Arceus" where Arceus decided to give a piece of himself to the player.

Except the piece of Arceus himself is the plate. Arceus gives "piece of himself". Game: "You received the legendary plate". Is that hard to comprehend the game itself and it's message or brainset of Pokemontards is as f*cked as brain structure of Devil May Cry fanboys or God Of War fanboys ?

Also since when Pokemonverse has actual cosmology, canon and continuity ?

There is the anime continuity, the Manga continuity,... etc so pokemon has many continuities, as for the games they were all shown to be connected to each other, this is a proven fact unlike Mario

Like implying each game cartridge is own universe ? Like in every game you can catch own Legendaries including spacetime trio, sex dolls from 3 lakes, creation white-gold pony ? So which pokemon version is now ultimate canon Soulsilver or Heartgold ? Platinum, pearl or diamond (or it's shitty witch remakes called briliantdiamond or shiny pearl) ? White, Black, White 2 or Black 2 ?

"But it is all the same but different story with different pokemon"

Pokeverse has 0 continuity in games. Anime, Manga and games do not fill each other they are seperate things.

Also canon makes no sense, because somehow there are happening a lot of space bending events in world and Palkia do not care about this. Celebi and Turo/Sado go time travel brrrrrrr and Dialga do not give a damn. THere are so much world threatening events and Arceus doesn't care about it when humanity attempts to weaponise strong legendaries.

XY first introduced lore of mega evolution stones giving own origin, but ORAS retcons all of it with random space meteor where Rayquaza is first who megaevolved instead of Lucario.

Once toon force universe like Mario and Kirby always a verse with 0 continuity.

Except the piece of Arceus himself is the plate. Arceus gives "piece of himself". Game: "You received the legendary plate". Is that hard to comprehend the game itself and it's message or brainset of Pokemontards is as f*cked as brain structure of Devil May Cry fanboys or God Of War fanboys ?

Arceus gives you the legendary plate and another Arceus, he literally creates an other Arceus for the player

Like implying each game cartridge is own universe ? Like in every game you can catch own Legendaries including spacetime trio, sex dolls from 3 lakes, creation white-gold pony ? So which pokemon version is now ultimate canon Soulsilver or Heartgold ? Platinum, pearl or diamond (or it's shitty witch remakes called briliantdiamond or shiny pearl) ? White, Black, White 2 or Black 2 ?

They are alternatives universes but shares the same cosmology, they are a part of the same canon, pokemon has a multiverse and each universe represents it's own game with it's own main characters, thus different continuities but they still share the same canon regardless. Heck I recall one of the creators claiming that the anime and Manga and games all exist in the same cosmology

Loading Video...

Ok show me where he says it is Darkseid-like avatar of him ?

"And i bestow part of myself" = translation: I will give you something as reward what is typical of all pokemon games.

"I would walk this world (...)" => SENTENCE WRITTEN IN A FIRST PERSON. If sentence would be written in third person ("It would walk this world (...)") it would make sense with your headcanon. But whatever game says it is main canon or you are like some Legend of Zelda community copers with own personal heacanon using countless Hitchen Razors to prove your truth denying what is written in the game or official lore guidebooks (like people who say Hyrule Historia and Zelda Encyclopedia aren't canon to Zeldaverse).

Ok show me where he says it is Darkseid-like avatar of him ?

I don't know almost anything about Darkside so can't say anything about this

It was supposed to be analogy to that guy from DC comics but i guess you do not know who Darkseid is, never mind.

"And i bestow part of myself" = translation: I will give you something as reward what is typical of all pokemon games

Yeah and that reward is : a legendary plate + an avatar of Arceus

Ok i am still waiting for the proof.

"I would walk this world (...)" => SENTENCE WRITTEN IN A FIRST PERSON. If sentence would be written in third person ("It would walk this world (...)")

It simply proves that Arceus shares a part of his own consciousness with his avatars which is a common thing for Avatars in fiction , we know this because true form Arceus himself doesn't go anywhere, after you finish the game you can still find him in his own realm and even battle him using the Arceus he gave you

Are you f*ing seriously using literal game mechanics to prove your point ? I guess then every character in fiction consists of countless avatars then if you can fight your own clone (who isn't supposed to exist in actual canon lore). Main campaign lore is more important than random events not connected to actual lore (like Battlrfront matchups for fun or online matchups)

it would make sense with your headcanon

Except it's not my headcanon ? It's a proven fact shown in game

It isn't proven anywhere in game.

But whatever game says it is main canon or you are like some Legend of Zelda community copers with own personal heacanon using countless Hitchen Razors to prove your truth denying what is written in the game or official lore guidebooks (like people who say Hyrule Historia and Zelda Encyclopedia aren't canon to Zeldaverse).

What...are you even talking about at this point ? I don't you at all

I was wrong, you just use game mechanics and save datas and non canon gameplay to prove your point.

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He's stated to be Omnipotent a few times and his defeats were retroactively retconned to be result of his avatars being limited, on top of that we're shown that he allows specific events to happen for an specific cosmic purpose.

Even if we don't accept those statements it's worth to consider that he's also the strongest being in his setting by an unquantifiable degree compared to the rest, so at least it's not full on contradictory.

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@platinumfanboy1:

Literally at the very start of the game he's represented as a being of pure energy which exists beyond space and time, encompassing everything in the verse.

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He's stated to be Omnipotent a few times and his defeats were retroactively retconned to be result of his avatars being limited, on top of that we're shown that he allows specific events to happen for an specific cosmic purpose.

Yy when ?

Even if we don't accept those statements it's worth to consider that he's also the strongest being in his setting by an unquantifiable degree compared to the rest, so at least it's not full on contradictory.

For once i agree.

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Literally at the very start of the game he's represented as a being of pure energy which exists beyond space and time, encompassing everything in the verse.

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Because you see random light which blinds your eyesight ?

That isn't a proof.

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#29  Edited By Omega7373663
@platinumfanboy1 said:
@omega7373663 said:
@platinumfanboy1 said:
@omega7373663 said:
@platinumfanboy1 said:
@omega7373663 said:
@platinumfanboy1 said:
@akulakhannumidi said:
@shadyyyyyy said:
@akulakhannumidi said:
@shadyyyyyy said:

No but he is pretty underrated, people think the pokemon form of arceus is arceus but it isnt, its just a very small piece of himself (Which outscales nearly everyone in the verse even people that can move continents and flood the earth and shit) Actual arceus is Low Complex or 5 D at the Least since hes transcended to everyone below him in his true form

At most, his feats has shown he can at least destroy a universe overtime, so there is that.

@ryuko_matoi77 said:

No, nowhere near 1-A. He's on Low 1-C along with someone like Hades, CC/Xeno Goku or others relevant DBH cast, and others.

Vsbattles is stupid

Im talking more so about True Arceus, not just the weird avatar thing that he uses

That's currently featless.

Where are these statements about avatars ? None game has said Arceus consists of avatars.

If we talk about that discount Zelda Breath of The Wild game where Palkia and Dialga are ugly ponnies, in that game "part of Arceus" is literal legendary plate which will transform Arceus into type favouring the battle (like turn him into ice type if you fight dragon type pokemon or fire type if you fight steel type). Plates are part of Arceus logically so that is "part of him". It is the same as Blue Orb or Red Orb being part of Kyogre/Groudon or meteors being part of Rayquaza.

To me this is just another GOW wank or Devil May Cry wank tier blog where random kids want pokemonverse to be strong so they will lick milk out of their antennaes.

Also since when Pokemonverse has actual cosmology, canon and continuity ? This verse seemed to be like Super Mario where no games has relations to each other (even Mario Galaxy 1 and Galaxy 2)

Where are these statements about avatars ? None game has said Arceus consists of avatars.

Arceus is confirmed to have avatars as seen in "Pokemon legends Arceus" where Arceus decided to give a piece of himself to the player.

Except the piece of Arceus himself is the plate. Arceus gives "piece of himself". Game: "You received the legendary plate". Is that hard to comprehend the game itself and it's message or brainset of Pokemontards is as f*cked as brain structure of Devil May Cry fanboys or God Of War fanboys ?

Also since when Pokemonverse has actual cosmology, canon and continuity ?

There is the anime continuity, the Manga continuity,... etc so pokemon has many continuities, as for the games they were all shown to be connected to each other, this is a proven fact unlike Mario

Like implying each game cartridge is own universe ? Like in every game you can catch own Legendaries including spacetime trio, sex dolls from 3 lakes, creation white-gold pony ? So which pokemon version is now ultimate canon Soulsilver or Heartgold ? Platinum, pearl or diamond (or it's shitty witch remakes called briliantdiamond or shiny pearl) ? White, Black, White 2 or Black 2 ?

"But it is all the same but different story with different pokemon"

Pokeverse has 0 continuity in games. Anime, Manga and games do not fill each other they are seperate things.

Also canon makes no sense, because somehow there are happening a lot of space bending events in world and Palkia do not care about this. Celebi and Turo/Sado go time travel brrrrrrr and Dialga do not give a damn. THere are so much world threatening events and Arceus doesn't care about it when humanity attempts to weaponise strong legendaries.

XY first introduced lore of mega evolution stones giving own origin, but ORAS retcons all of it with random space meteor where Rayquaza is first who megaevolved instead of Lucario.

Once toon force universe like Mario and Kirby always a verse with 0 continuity.

Except the piece of Arceus himself is the plate. Arceus gives "piece of himself". Game: "You received the legendary plate". Is that hard to comprehend the game itself and it's message or brainset of Pokemontards is as f*cked as brain structure of Devil May Cry fanboys or God Of War fanboys ?

Arceus gives you the legendary plate and another Arceus, he literally creates an other Arceus for the player

Like implying each game cartridge is own universe ? Like in every game you can catch own Legendaries including spacetime trio, sex dolls from 3 lakes, creation white-gold pony ? So which pokemon version is now ultimate canon Soulsilver or Heartgold ? Platinum, pearl or diamond (or it's shitty witch remakes called briliantdiamond or shiny pearl) ? White, Black, White 2 or Black 2 ?

They are alternatives universes but shares the same cosmology, they are a part of the same canon, pokemon has a multiverse and each universe represents it's own game with it's own main characters, thus different continuities but they still share the same canon regardless. Heck I recall one of the creators claiming that the anime and Manga and games all exist in the same cosmology

Loading Video...

Ok show me where he says it is Darkseid-like avatar of him ?

"And i bestow part of myself" = translation: I will give you something as reward what is typical of all pokemon games.

"I would walk this world (...)" => SENTENCE WRITTEN IN A FIRST PERSON. If sentence would be written in third person ("It would walk this world (...)") it would make sense with your headcanon. But whatever game says it is main canon or you are like some Legend of Zelda community copers with own personal heacanon using countless Hitchen Razors to prove your truth denying what is written in the game or official lore guidebooks (like people who say Hyrule Historia and Zelda Encyclopedia aren't canon to Zeldaverse).

Ok show me where he says it is Darkseid-like avatar of him ?

I don't know almost anything about Darkside so can't say anything about this

It was supposed to be analogy to that guy from DC comics but i guess you do not know who Darkseid is, never mind.

"And i bestow part of myself" = translation: I will give you something as reward what is typical of all pokemon games

Yeah and that reward is : a legendary plate + an avatar of Arceus

Ok i am still waiting for the proof.

"I would walk this world (...)" => SENTENCE WRITTEN IN A FIRST PERSON. If sentence would be written in third person ("It would walk this world (...)")

It simply proves that Arceus shares a part of his own consciousness with his avatars which is a common thing for Avatars in fiction , we know this because true form Arceus himself doesn't go anywhere, after you finish the game you can still find him in his own realm and even battle him using the Arceus he gave you

Are you f*ing seriously using literal game mechanics to prove your point ? I guess then every character in fiction consists of countless avatars then if you can fight your own clone (who isn't supposed to exist in actual canon lore). Main campaign lore is more important than random events not connected to actual lore (like Battlrfront matchups for fun or online matchups)

it would make sense with your headcanon

Except it's not my headcanon ? It's a proven fact shown in game

It isn't proven anywhere in game.

But whatever game says it is main canon or you are like some Legend of Zelda community copers with own personal heacanon using countless Hitchen Razors to prove your truth denying what is written in the game or official lore guidebooks (like people who say Hyrule Historia and Zelda Encyclopedia aren't canon to Zeldaverse).

What...are you even talking about at this point ? I don't you at all

I was wrong, you just use game mechanics and save datas and non canon gameplay to prove your point.

Ok i am still waiting for the proof.

The proof is in the game mate

Are you f*ing seriously using literal game mechanics to prove your point ? I guess then every character in fiction consists of countless avatars then if you can fight your own clone (who isn't supposed to exist in actual canon lore). Main campaign lore is more important than random events not connected to actual lore (like Battlrfront matchups for fun or online matchups)

Except you can't fight clones in pokemon mate so you can't use this logic here, the fact that when you go back to fight Dialga and Palkia you can't use them in the battle is enough proof to suggest that it's not just gameplay mechanics

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As made evident by the post in the OP. Unboundedness doesn't make any sense when used for power scaling. Just like VSBW's earlier dimensional powerscaling and cardinality powerscaling. VSBW takes another L.

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#31  Edited By CyanPhoenix

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@platinumfanboy1:

Literally at the very start of the game he's represented as a being of pure energy which exists beyond space and time, encompassing everything in the verse.

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Because you see random light which blinds your eyesight ?

No, because we're actually spoon fed in game the fact that Arceus true form it's supossed to be an abstract thing/entity that exists outside of space-time.

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@platinumfanboy1 said:
@omega7373663 said:
@platinumfanboy1 said:
@omega7373663 said:
@platinumfanboy1 said:
@omega7373663 said:
@platinumfanboy1 said:
@akulakhannumidi said:
@shadyyyyyy said:
@akulakhannumidi said:
@shadyyyyyy said:

No but he is pretty underrated, people think the pokemon form of arceus is arceus but it isnt, its just a very small piece of himself (Which outscales nearly everyone in the verse even people that can move continents and flood the earth and shit) Actual arceus is Low Complex or 5 D at the Least since hes transcended to everyone below him in his true form

At most, his feats has shown he can at least destroy a universe overtime, so there is that.

@ryuko_matoi77 said:

No, nowhere near 1-A. He's on Low 1-C along with someone like Hades, CC/Xeno Goku or others relevant DBH cast, and others.

Vsbattles is stupid

Im talking more so about True Arceus, not just the weird avatar thing that he uses

That's currently featless.

Where are these statements about avatars ? None game has said Arceus consists of avatars.

If we talk about that discount Zelda Breath of The Wild game where Palkia and Dialga are ugly ponnies, in that game "part of Arceus" is literal legendary plate which will transform Arceus into type favouring the battle (like turn him into ice type if you fight dragon type pokemon or fire type if you fight steel type). Plates are part of Arceus logically so that is "part of him". It is the same as Blue Orb or Red Orb being part of Kyogre/Groudon or meteors being part of Rayquaza.

To me this is just another GOW wank or Devil May Cry wank tier blog where random kids want pokemonverse to be strong so they will lick milk out of their antennaes.

Also since when Pokemonverse has actual cosmology, canon and continuity ? This verse seemed to be like Super Mario where no games has relations to each other (even Mario Galaxy 1 and Galaxy 2)

Where are these statements about avatars ? None game has said Arceus consists of avatars.

Arceus is confirmed to have avatars as seen in "Pokemon legends Arceus" where Arceus decided to give a piece of himself to the player.

Except the piece of Arceus himself is the plate. Arceus gives "piece of himself". Game: "You received the legendary plate". Is that hard to comprehend the game itself and it's message or brainset of Pokemontards is as f*cked as brain structure of Devil May Cry fanboys or God Of War fanboys ?

Also since when Pokemonverse has actual cosmology, canon and continuity ?

There is the anime continuity, the Manga continuity,... etc so pokemon has many continuities, as for the games they were all shown to be connected to each other, this is a proven fact unlike Mario

Like implying each game cartridge is own universe ? Like in every game you can catch own Legendaries including spacetime trio, sex dolls from 3 lakes, creation white-gold pony ? So which pokemon version is now ultimate canon Soulsilver or Heartgold ? Platinum, pearl or diamond (or it's shitty witch remakes called briliantdiamond or shiny pearl) ? White, Black, White 2 or Black 2 ?

"But it is all the same but different story with different pokemon"

Pokeverse has 0 continuity in games. Anime, Manga and games do not fill each other they are seperate things.

Also canon makes no sense, because somehow there are happening a lot of space bending events in world and Palkia do not care about this. Celebi and Turo/Sado go time travel brrrrrrr and Dialga do not give a damn. THere are so much world threatening events and Arceus doesn't care about it when humanity attempts to weaponise strong legendaries.

XY first introduced lore of mega evolution stones giving own origin, but ORAS retcons all of it with random space meteor where Rayquaza is first who megaevolved instead of Lucario.

Once toon force universe like Mario and Kirby always a verse with 0 continuity.

Except the piece of Arceus himself is the plate. Arceus gives "piece of himself". Game: "You received the legendary plate". Is that hard to comprehend the game itself and it's message or brainset of Pokemontards is as f*cked as brain structure of Devil May Cry fanboys or God Of War fanboys ?

Arceus gives you the legendary plate and another Arceus, he literally creates an other Arceus for the player

Like implying each game cartridge is own universe ? Like in every game you can catch own Legendaries including spacetime trio, sex dolls from 3 lakes, creation white-gold pony ? So which pokemon version is now ultimate canon Soulsilver or Heartgold ? Platinum, pearl or diamond (or it's shitty witch remakes called briliantdiamond or shiny pearl) ? White, Black, White 2 or Black 2 ?

They are alternatives universes but shares the same cosmology, they are a part of the same canon, pokemon has a multiverse and each universe represents it's own game with it's own main characters, thus different continuities but they still share the same canon regardless. Heck I recall one of the creators claiming that the anime and Manga and games all exist in the same cosmology

Loading Video...

Ok show me where he says it is Darkseid-like avatar of him ?

"And i bestow part of myself" = translation: I will give you something as reward what is typical of all pokemon games.

"I would walk this world (...)" => SENTENCE WRITTEN IN A FIRST PERSON. If sentence would be written in third person ("It would walk this world (...)") it would make sense with your headcanon. But whatever game says it is main canon or you are like some Legend of Zelda community copers with own personal heacanon using countless Hitchen Razors to prove your truth denying what is written in the game or official lore guidebooks (like people who say Hyrule Historia and Zelda Encyclopedia aren't canon to Zeldaverse).

Ok show me where he says it is Darkseid-like avatar of him ?

I don't know almost anything about Darkside so can't say anything about this

It was supposed to be analogy to that guy from DC comics but i guess you do not know who Darkseid is, never mind.

"And i bestow part of myself" = translation: I will give you something as reward what is typical of all pokemon games

Yeah and that reward is : a legendary plate + an avatar of Arceus

Ok i am still waiting for the proof.

"I would walk this world (...)" => SENTENCE WRITTEN IN A FIRST PERSON. If sentence would be written in third person ("It would walk this world (...)")

It simply proves that Arceus shares a part of his own consciousness with his avatars which is a common thing for Avatars in fiction , we know this because true form Arceus himself doesn't go anywhere, after you finish the game you can still find him in his own realm and even battle him using the Arceus he gave you

Are you f*ing seriously using literal game mechanics to prove your point ? I guess then every character in fiction consists of countless avatars then if you can fight your own clone (who isn't supposed to exist in actual canon lore). Main campaign lore is more important than random events not connected to actual lore (like Battlrfront matchups for fun or online matchups)

it would make sense with your headcanon

Except it's not my headcanon ? It's a proven fact shown in game

It isn't proven anywhere in game.

But whatever game says it is main canon or you are like some Legend of Zelda community copers with own personal heacanon using countless Hitchen Razors to prove your truth denying what is written in the game or official lore guidebooks (like people who say Hyrule Historia and Zelda Encyclopedia aren't canon to Zeldaverse).

What...are you even talking about at this point ? I don't you at all

I was wrong, you just use game mechanics and save datas and non canon gameplay to prove your point.

Ok i am still waiting for the proof.

The proof is in the game mate

Are you f*ing seriously using literal game mechanics to prove your point ? I guess then every character in fiction consists of countless avatars then if you can fight your own clone (who isn't supposed to exist in actual canon lore). Main campaign lore is more important than random events not connected to actual lore (like Battlrfront matchups for fun or online matchups)

Except you can't fight clones in pokemon mate so you can't use this logic here, the fact that when you go back to fight Dialga and Palkia you can't use them in the battle is enough proof to suggest that it's not just gameplay mechanics

Sorry for replying so late, but notifications are pretty messed up.

Ad 1. yeah and i am waiting for that proof because you have failed to show me 5 times in a row, but your own Hitchen Razor headcanon.

Ad 2. That is still game mechanics and some game limitations. This is not actual part of main campaign story.

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Literally at the very start of the game he's represented as a being of pure energy which exists beyond space and time, encompassing everything in the verse.

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Because you see random light which blinds your eyesight ?

No, because we're actually spoon fed in game the fact that Arceus true form it's supossed to be an abstract thing/entity that exists outside of space-time.

And nothing in game suggested it. I have played the game and nothing here was told to be actual truth. Just because cringe Youtube Shorts powerscalers (same powerscalers who scale Dante, Kratos & Doomguy/"wanked to oblivion video game trinity" to High Outerversal) want Arceus to be strong so they lick his hoofs it doesn't concern me. They want him to be like Darkesid from DC or Singularity from Bayonetta 3 (aka multiversal sci-fi cosmic entities who have no real form but vessels), but cannot show any proof.

Fact that pokemonverse has no real canon (unlike nintendoverses like Zelda, Fire Emblem, Xenoblade, Bayonetta which was splitted into multiverse of Bayo) and no real continuity like mario or kirbyverse, but i am still waiting for the in-game statement.

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@platinumfanboy1:

Ad 1. yeah and i am waiting for that proof because you have failed to show me 5 times in a row, but your own Hitchen Razor headcanon.

Ad 2. That is still game mechanics and some game limitations. This is not actual part of main campaign story.

1) I already gave you proof

2) I already explained to you why it's not just game mechanic I gave you a clear cut example, when you go back to fight Palkia and Dialga they become unusable for battle (cuz you're fighting them) if the second Arceus thing was gameplay mechanics then they would've done the same thing with Palkia and Dialga (which they didn't), so yeah no proof that it's game mechanics, there is literally 0 POKEMON GAME where such gameplay mechanic exists, this isn't a fighting game like Dragon ball game where the same characters can fight eachother for 0 reasons

Fact that pokemonverse has no real canon (unlike nintendoverses like Zelda, Fire Emblem, Xenoblade, Bayonetta which was splitted into multiverse of Bayo) and no real continuity like mario or kirbyverse, but i am still waiting for the in-game statement.

They have a real canon (all games are canon but with different continuities)

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OP says Arceus' avatars are weak enough to be killed by a meteor. You think he'd make himself stronger. Anyways, no.

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Ad 1. yeah and i am waiting for that proof because you have failed to show me 5 times in a row, but your own Hitchen Razor headcanon.

Ad 2. That is still game mechanics and some game limitations. This is not actual part of main campaign story.

1) I already gave you proof

If this is a proof so it is pretty weak or more like your personal headcanon.

2) I already explained to you why it's not just game mechanic I gave you a clear cut example, when you go back to fight Palkia and Dialga they become unusable for battle (cuz you're fighting them) if the second Arceus thing was gameplay mechanics then they would've done the same thing with Palkia and Dialga (which they didn't), so yeah no proof that it's game mechanics, there is literally 0 POKEMON GAME where such gameplay mechanic exists, this isn't a fighting game like Dragon ball game where the same characters can fight eachother for 0 reasons

In that case bullshit like Battlefrontier from ORAS is canon showing that "EACH GAME IS OWN SEPERATE UNIVERSE" according to Terminal Montage explanations of his parody videos.

Fro other hand Battle Reverie exists and you can as well use Dialga against Dialga. This is like a dream so gimme a proof that rematch of Arceus is not another dream of protagonist working in same way as Battle Reverie. I am waiting.

Fact that pokemonverse has no real canon (unlike nintendoverses like Zelda, Fire Emblem, Xenoblade, Bayonetta which was splitted into multiverse of Bayo) and no real continuity like mario or kirbyverse, but i am still waiting for the in-game statement.

They have a real canon (all games are canon but with different continuities)

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@platinumfanboy1:

Ad 1. yeah and i am waiting for that proof because you have failed to show me 5 times in a row, but your own Hitchen Razor headcanon.

Ad 2. That is still game mechanics and some game limitations. This is not actual part of main campaign story.

1) I already gave you proof

If this is a proof so it is pretty weak or more like your personal headcanon.

2) I already explained to you why it's not just game mechanic I gave you a clear cut example, when you go back to fight Palkia and Dialga they become unusable for battle (cuz you're fighting them) if the second Arceus thing was gameplay mechanics then they would've done the same thing with Palkia and Dialga (which they didn't), so yeah no proof that it's game mechanics, there is literally 0 POKEMON GAME where such gameplay mechanic exists, this isn't a fighting game like Dragon ball game where the same characters can fight eachother for 0 reasons

In that case bullshit like Battlefrontier from ORAS is canon showing that "EACH GAME IS OWN SEPERATE UNIVERSE" according to Terminal Montage explanations of his parody videos.

Fro other hand Battle Reverie exists and you can as well use Dialga against Dialga. This is like a dream so gimme a proof that rematch of Arceus is not another dream of protagonist working in same way as Battle Reverie. I am waiting.

Fact that pokemonverse has no real canon (unlike nintendoverses like Zelda, Fire Emblem, Xenoblade, Bayonetta which was splitted into multiverse of Bayo) and no real continuity like mario or kirbyverse, but i am still waiting for the in-game statement.

They have a real canon (all games are canon but with different continuities)

In that case bullshit like Battlefrontier from ORAS is canon showing that "EACH GAME IS OWN SEPERATE UNIVERSE" according to Terminal Montage explanations of his parody videos.

I don't care about Battlefrontier, facts still remains Pokemon games are all canon, they all exist in the same pokemon cosmology (which is a multiverse)

Fro other hand Battle Reverie exists and you can as well use Dialga against Dialga

Show me proof please

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Absolutely not

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Nope.

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No, but his wank is.

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Also to answer the question :

No, but his wank is.

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@omega7373663 said:

@platinumfanboy1:

Ad 1. yeah and i am waiting for that proof because you have failed to show me 5 times in a row, but your own Hitchen Razor headcanon.

Ad 2. That is still game mechanics and some game limitations. This is not actual part of main campaign story.

1) I already gave you proof

If this is a proof so it is pretty weak or more like your personal headcanon.

2) I already explained to you why it's not just game mechanic I gave you a clear cut example, when you go back to fight Palkia and Dialga they become unusable for battle (cuz you're fighting them) if the second Arceus thing was gameplay mechanics then they would've done the same thing with Palkia and Dialga (which they didn't), so yeah no proof that it's game mechanics, there is literally 0 POKEMON GAME where such gameplay mechanic exists, this isn't a fighting game like Dragon ball game where the same characters can fight eachother for 0 reasons

In that case bullshit like Battlefrontier from ORAS is canon showing that "EACH GAME IS OWN SEPERATE UNIVERSE" according to Terminal Montage explanations of his parody videos.

Fro other hand Battle Reverie exists and you can as well use Dialga against Dialga. This is like a dream so gimme a proof that rematch of Arceus is not another dream of protagonist working in same way as Battle Reverie. I am waiting.

Fact that pokemonverse has no real canon (unlike nintendoverses like Zelda, Fire Emblem, Xenoblade, Bayonetta which was splitted into multiverse of Bayo) and no real continuity like mario or kirbyverse, but i am still waiting for the in-game statement.

They have a real canon (all games are canon but with different continuities)

In that case bullshit like Battlefrontier from ORAS is canon showing that "EACH GAME IS OWN SEPERATE UNIVERSE" according to Terminal Montage explanations of his parody videos.

I don't care about Battlefrontier, facts still remains Pokemon games are all canon, they all exist in the same pokemon cosmology (which is a multiverse).

Yeah i know universe are seperated and they share Ultraspace.

Fro other hand Battle Reverie exists and you can as well use Dialga against Dialga

Show me proof please

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