TDKR does not have any plot hole, here is an explanation for every plot point;
If you are questioning how he got the motorbikes in the building, he of course has a plan to go away with people inside the building.
Parking garage, backdoors, snuck in through carts of cleaning equipment? Bane's people brought the bikes into the lobby after he and his other guys took over the stock exchange but before the police got there. Once they had the motorcycles in place, the guys who brought them in probably left and made their way underground.
Bane and his mercenaries seem to run very well-orchestrated operations. Each participant has a specific job and they execute it with precise timing. What they did with that CIA plane in the first scene was much more complicated than taking over the stock exchange.
Bane was kidnapping Dr. Pavel, whom he would later coerce into turning Wayne's reactor into a bomb. One only he had the expertise to disarm. And then Bane killed him, so there was no disarmament option.
They brought a body when they kidnapped Pavel, and gave a quicky transfusion. Presumably to encourage the CIA et al to believe Pavel dead and not being forced to work on a super weapon.
Bane assumed that a plane crashing to Earth from such height would toatally mangle a body to the point of being physically unrecognizable.
So, they pumped some of Dr. Pavel's blood into a corpse that I assume was previously drained of blood, so that when the CIA recovered it's remains, they would test the blood and come to the conclusion that the body belonged to Dr. Pavel...meaning that they would call off the search for him. Bane's plan does not rely on them thinking it's a plane crash, and knowing it only says "mayday" makes it believable, and the box would broke after they pulled it off, so basically even if they got the bodies, it would have worked as they couldn't know who was here and just assumed that some people AND Pavel were killed.
- Why a CIA officer would blow his cover, announcing to Pavel who he was.
- Why the CIA pilots didn't see Bane's rescue plane on their c***pit radar.
- I'm no engineer but I believe on a modern plane wings don't break off and crumble so easily. I think they actually bend, rather than snapping.
-Not all CIA officers work undercover.
-Small business jets don't carry radar in the sense you're thinking. Also radar is generally a "look ahead" system, aircraft approaching from the rear would be in the blind spot. Something like an AWACS would have radar that's looking 36o°, there are also some fighter aircraft that employ look behind systems. But this is just your run of the mill business jet.
-An aircraft wing is designed to accommodate loading in a particular fashion. There are plenty of instances where an aircraft's wings separated when the aerodynamic forces were outside that envelope
Gordon knows Bane's name because he's an enemy and a terrorist. Or, It’s possible he overheard someone say his name while being dragged to Bane’s lair.
Was it ever implied that his name was a secret tho? The foundation of the movie never says this and Gordon's detective skills and investigating over his file and knowing how he is, he knew who Bane was.
Captain Jones was attacked because Talia told Bane that, and even then with all his experience he only recognized him as a "captain" of the squad. There’s a line of dialogue then.
Batman comes back because he’s back at doing proactive things and would know about the stock exchange by just turning the TV or radio on, and wanted to meet Catwoman knowing she was linked with Dagget and found her while using the batplane.
The prison is Bane's private prison. It once was a government prison, but after the League raided it (which is how Bane got out in the first place) it was left in disuse until Bane decided to appropriate it. The prisoners were likely fed by Bane's men who'd show up every once in a while and drop s*** in there. Women don't survive in the pit. Remember what happened to Talia's mom. He planted a TV and some lights, knowing his resources and how rich he is and his contacts, it's perfectly reasonable to assume he didn't want them to stay at darkness forever.
Not every scene needs to be spoon-feed like Bane being at Dagget's property, like the guy said above, was only to talk, there is a clear dialogue for that.
Regarding Bane's attack, knowing how he had a lot of henchmen and people working, they investigated and found where Gordon was and wanted to attack him, but Gordon managed to hear the screaming and take them out.
Bane's plan in a nutshell:
Bane saves Talia, later escapes.
-Plan is formed by someone.
-Talia begins infiltration, Ra's tries his hand at just taking over. Ra's is killed. Talia's plan moves forward, mournfully.
-Talia finally has a nibble from Bruce about the nuke. Bane goes ahead with his kidnapping of the professor who designed the thing.
-Bruce builds the machine unwittingly to bomb specifications. Talia is surprised. Timetable is advanced drastically.
-Trap is sprung.
The way I view movies of this kind is like this. It's not that the villian sat down in his lair somewhere and wrote out this grand plan like they somehow could predict everybody's actions. They have plans within plans. If we do A, and they do B, then we do C. But if they do D, then we do E, etc. And they also improvise as events unfold, like he did with Gordon's speech. It just so happens that what we saw on screen was how it all finally played out.
I dont see the problem with Alfred searching info on Bane knowing he has a database and is the world's greatest detective. Bruce was busy tending to other matters, plus his head still wasn't screwed on right at the time. Alfred does a quick checkup and tells Bruce the basics.
If Bane is supposed to be as big as hinted at in the prologue, even as a myth, I'm sure that stuff (which was only half-accurate) would be online.
I mean, the comics and TAS have Alfred digging all the time. I recall in the first Poison Ivy episode of TAS, it is Alfred "looking up" Pamela Isley (in the pre-internet days) while Batman is driving around that cracks the case. Alfred did all the research.
As I recall, the tenuous link to Daggett was that Bane's terrorist group or mercenaries (whatever you wish to call them) helped overthrow a government in a third world African country? Daggett financially benefitted from that coup in terms of a mining contract. The latter part would be a matter of public record. So, the connection is just it is a helluva a coincidence that the group this Bane figure is rumored to be running around with happened to create an advantageous political crisis in a country that Daggett had a vested economic interests in.
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If you're wondering why Bane doesn't take the presence of Batman in TDKR and says "impossible": Most of Bane's thugs at that point of the movie where people he released from Arkham Asylum. Being low level thugs the ones who "bagged" Bruce Wayne were not given the information that Bruce Wayne is in fact Batman.
Yep, and they definitely didn't know who Miranda really was, just not to harm her.
Also, possible reasoning why the LOS didn't expose Wayne as Batman: They wanted to destroy everything important to him as revenge for Ra's and finish his last job. They took Wayne's money then wanted him to watch Gotham blow up as a broke nobody.
Were they to reveal to the world who he is/was, it probably would have given him some glory.
I presume Bane just wanted to wreck Batman even more, for his mistress, who was still on Bruce's 'side' at that time.
Plus, what difference would it make when you are going to blow up a nuclear bomb? None. They don't care, there is no way out of the city.
Bruce Wayne is just some rich guy who knows martial arts. Able to kick Tony Stark's ass but not Bane's. Batman has toys. So when Bane saw the bat he was astonished at the return of Batman, not Bruce Wayne. Yes, but at the point of the story, they thought their plan was full proof, right until the very end, even when Batman showed up to battle. Bane didn't know or took the batwing (didn't know who it was and who had it, and didn't know about Lucius having some other gadgets for Batman, plus the rule of cool).
But she is definitely the one who wants to toy with Bruce, maybe she knew it would all go this way.
And he would eventually have to come to a decision of self sacrifice to save his people. But outsmarted them he did, I think it's not a plot hole but instead shows that Bane's team really lacks communication.
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Blake doesn't have a full confirmation that Wayne is Batman, but as he explains to Bruce, he always had an inkling.
Blake talks about losing parents is something no child can ever move on from, not someone stuck in an orphanage like him, or someone like Wayne, with boundless money and potential. Its a kind of unspoken comradery that only those in the situation can understand, hinted at when Blake says
Blake: No one knows how it feels to be angry in your bones.
From this, and from the time that Bruce visited the boys home, the boys always had a fantasy of Bruce being Batman, as a bit of a joke. But Blake could tell from Bruce's face that day, from the look and smile he gave everyone, that it wasn't just pure fantasy. As Blake also explains:
Blake: I know that smile you put on...its the same one I taught myself
From this, Blake has a gut feeling that Bruce isn't who he lets on to everyone, billionaire playboy extraordinaire. But something different.
Not to mention one big element from the movie, Bruce goes into seclusion almost around the same time Batman disappears. Putting these pieces together, Blake makes the assumption that Bruce is Batman, and confronts him with Gordon's shooting.
This turns out to be correct, of course, and garner's Bruce's trust because Blake is someone who can understand Bruce's situation, coming from it himself. And Blake is also someone who share's Batman's ideals, as he says:
Blake: I don't know why you took the fall for Dent's murder, but I'm still a believer in the Batman
Showing us and Bruce that he has, at least similar, ideals to how Bruce was when he first put on his cape and cowl. And also the reason why he trusts Blake with the cave at the end.
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Bane was not excommunicated and placed in the hole by the league of shadows. How he got there is not clear. Rah's love was placed in the pit as a punishment. She had a child, who escaped with the help of Bane. Later, the League of shadows comes back and takes Bane out of the Pit. There was an entire scene showing the League of Shadows descending into the pit. I am not entirely sure how you could have missed that. Some point after being taken out, he is excommunicated from the league of shadows. However, he is still in love with Talia. That is why Talia stays with him and follows him. He does not hate the League at all. In fact, he loves them. He is completing their mission.
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When Selina confronts Daggett about it, he claims that he bought Riken Systems to get at it, and it turned out to be nothing but a myth.
Odds are that, through various trusts and funds (all a bit technical :P ) Bruce had previously acquired the company, to keep the rumoured technology falling into the hands of someone corrupt.
With all the digital records erased there would be no reason to look at the paper records unless you committed a crime again. Want to apply for a passport, all your electronic files are clean so they give you a passport. Want to open a bank account? All your electronic files are clean so they hand you a debit card. Want to get a job your background check is fine you can sell shoes at JC Penny. If you stayed in Gotham and kept being a Cat Burglar yeah Harvey Bullock would recognise you and have Kristen Kringle pull your file out of storage but that's your own damn fault. The clean slate was a second chance it didn't mean you were clean if you went back to your old ways.
Pretty sure the thing he snagged off the tablet was a sort of wireless adapter, not the clean slate. Why would the clean slate be attached to the tablet they were using for the stock heist?
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- Why didn't Batman even attempt to blow up Bane with the Batwing on the rooftop scene with Selina Kyle? Batman isn't about killing. This is evident when he made it clear to Catwoman not to kill anyone. Batman didn't expect Bane to blow up the whole city. He was just a mercenary to him at that point.
- How was the US government not more involved, and why didn't someone just shoot Bane? It is clearly stated that a citizen holds the trigger for detonating the nuke. This is what keeps the government at bay, the citizens against each other, and certainly keeps Bane from being overthrown- since he doesn't hold the trigger, it will be set off if he dies. EDIT: The government reiterates that they do not negotiate with terrorists and they don't know how the nuclear fission device works, since it was made secretly. They wouldn't just send fighter jets to blow up the nuclear fission device if they don't know would blow up or not. They can't kill Bane since there's a possibility that he is lying and that he may be holding a dead man switch. So they send in the special forces to gain intell, a precursor to a possible military strike.
Bat was in development at Wayne Enterprises during the eight years that Batman disappeared. Lucius Fox was not the only person aware of its existence.
The Bat' wasn't it's technical designation, so Wayne could've worked on it in whatever capacity without drawing attention to his alter ego. And even if someone at Wayne Enterprises recognised it out on the street while Bats was piloting it, we'd get the scene with Lucius and that wannabe-blackmailer employee from TDK all over again but knowing that both Batman and Bruce are dead this draws no suspicious and it’s also at the end of the movie.
A lot of people died during Bane's occupation of Gotham. Bruce Wayne was just chalked up as one of many victims. The commissioner probably just added his name to the long list of victims. There was probably a death certificate as well, but do we need that in the movie?
Also, Gordon did not reveal his identity as indicated by the scowl on his face during the statue presentation.
As there was more than one tumbler, why could there not have been more than one Bat? I assumed that the Bat being examined was not THE Bat, mainly because THE Bat would have been destroyed in the nuclear blast. As for Bruce Wayne fixing the Bat, if it was not THE Bat, then its just something that Bruce Wayne fixed for his company. That just leaves Lucius thinking if he fixed THIS one, then he probably fixed THAT one as well.
Bruce Wayne he mentioned that he was friends with Batman, so maybe they wrote that off as that, considering it's a reserved and secret area not in use of the Wayne company and that Batman could have gotten it from Bane's army, and those people couldn't possibly believe he was Batman or know that he saved the city by using it.
Batman ejected the Bat boarding a different vehicle (kinda like the Bat-pod which was ejected from the Tumbler). To back that up, here are some of my explanations:
- Before Batman comes out in the open with the bomb, he causes a huge explosion. Moments before it we can see him extremely anxious, even terrified. Well, it could very well that be because he was in a hurry to carry the bomb out over the bay but it could also be because he was about to decide to drop his two identities for good (Batman and Bruce Wayne) and choose a third one, that of faking his death and living all over the world into hiding, but as Alfred once told him: being happy. Bruce knows that it's not an easy choice but he must decide in a few seconds. Subsequently, the explosion would cover the ejection of this secondary vehicle. Batman continued his travel away from Gotham, while the Bat continued its travel over the bay (using the fixed autopilot system).
- After the explosion Batman is again seen to be calm. That may proves my aforementioned comment. The secondary vehicle has successfully been ejected, the Bat's autopilot system was working properly and the Bat was traveling to the correct destination.
- In addition, let us hear the sounds of the engines of the Bat prior and after the first explosion (and the alleged ejection) as they sounded from the interior of the Bat. Prior to the explosion we can clearly hear the propellers of the Bat. After the explosion we only hear an electrical buzz; in the exterior shots, though, the sound of the propellers of the Bat continues to be heard. That may indicates that Batman boards a different vehicle thus proving that he had indeed ejected.
- The interior shots after the explosion don't let us stare the background exteriors of the Bat, although prior to the explosion we can see skyscrapers and other buildings that the Bat passes by.
- After the first explosion we can't see if there is anyone in the cockpit of the Bat.
- Batman turns around and looks Gotham for the last time; he could very well do that because he had decided to fake his death and not because he welcomes his incoming death.
Taking the above statements into account, Batman obviously had a large amount of time to escape the blast radius of the bomb. He had ejected by the time of the explosion near the skyscrapers; he then turned his vehicle away from the bay and flied over to the opposite direction. The explosion of the bomb found Batman miles away from Gotham.
Again, not everything needs to be spoon-feed and there's some luck, errors and off screen stuff but TDKR is definitely written well and doesn't suffer from any plot hole. Idk what else do you need, that's the explanation for mostly everything + 2 links i posted.
https://www.reddit.com/r/plotholes/comments/g1rv3l/lets_fill_some_plot_holes_the_dark_knight_rises/
http://www.vardulon.com/2013/07/its-possible-that-youre-wrong-about.html
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