CAV: Gojo and Sukuna (thenamelessone and Mike_Strike) Vs Optimus and Megatron (Chris2kzombieki)

Anyone familiar with the Transformers will know that Optimus and Megatron, in almost every sense of the word, are equals. Anything one character does, the other can scale too. As both are the strongest of their faction, they would also logically scale above character like Starscream, Bumblebee, etc.

At the beginning of the series, we see both a good strength and combat speed feat when Megatron hurls a large (larger than Megatron himself) chunk of Dark Energon at supersonic speed so that it affects the entirety of Cybertron and raises a planet of the undead. In one of the last episodes of the first season, Megatron has the feat of shattering Unicron’s avatar, in a single strike. These things are at least the size of a mountain, so Megatron being able to shatter one in a single strike is impressive.

Finally, we see Megatron one shot Ultra Magnus, who scales higher than other bots such as Soundwave, Starscream and Knockout that tanked point blank city level explosions such as the Omega Lock explosion and Knockout, as well as Starscream who tanked the destruction of the Lens, which you can see below. Note that Megatrons Upgraded body should scale above all of this, even if only a little.

We know Optimus Prime has tanked many impressive attacks, such as tanking a heat beam which was digging its way down into an unmineable Energon deposit in the arctic. He then, moments after, tanks the explosion of destroying the Lens, which was calced at mountain level. Prime has two other city-mountain level durability feats, but this should suffice. We see Megatron being able to harm Optimus with his strikes throughout their fights, thus his AP scales.

Speed wise, Megatron is capable of MFTL travel speed via a specialized space drive, however worthless in combat , especially seeing as he‘s only used it once in order to get to Cybertron. Besides that, he can dodge Autobot blasters, which have been shown to be extremely fast. In this series of feats, Prime gets an attack blocked by Megatron before then slicing down on the latter’s arm too quick for him to react.He then quickly charges at the remaining Decepticons while blocking their blasts, dodges a missile from Starscream, then destroys the Omega Lock. Additionally, this fight between Optimus and Megatron shows good combat speed. The only noteworthy durability game feat is Optimus and Megatrons beam clash which results in sending the Dark Spark into space. A strength feat includes Both Megatron and Optimus able to temporarily resist the gravitational pull from an unstable space bridge. This space bridge was ripping apart the arc

One of the best durability feats is Megatron surviving the explosion of the Space Bridge, at the epicenter mind you, which is ~12,300 meters (Note: Mt. Everest is 8,848 meters), while the initial explosion was larger than the bridge itself, and the shockwave of the blast also spreads out far wider. Yes, Megatron was put into a coma, however this explosion is so far above anything else seen in the continuity that even surviving it is extremely impressive. Also note that his outer body didn’t suffer all too much damage comparatively. Many attribute his survival to Dark Energon, however this doesn’t affect a Cybertronian’s natural durability, so his outer body being relatively unharmed is still valid, this was also Megatrons first body, not his newer one.

All this should cover and conclude that Optimus and Megatron should be much more powerful in terms of raw strength, durability, and AP. However, the biggest lacking feature here is speed. At best and highballing these guys are very low Hypersonic, while both Gojo and Sukuna are at MHS. However, in terms of just raw dog fist to fist action, Optimus and Megatron would come out on top, but we still have more to cover.

Megatron is a highly skilled combatant. He was trained in the Pits of Kaon as a gladiator, and it shows in his immense skill and combat prowess. We see this skill put to use when he matches a foe whom far outstats him, Predaking. Optimus Matches Megatron in skill during their fights save for the first one. His skills are further displayed against Dreadwing throughout their fight (Note that Optimus was most likely holding back in this battle, as he hoped he would turn to the Autobots side many times, even during their final encounter together when Dreadwing gives him the forge) Prime and Predaking are very close, if not equal, in terms of stats. The deciding factor for most of this battle was Prime’s skill, which gave him an upper hand (Upgraded), with him also beating Megatron, his equal in stats.

In terms of raw skill, Optimus and Megatron are a lot better suited for combat than Gojo and Sukuna, who, while skilled, are still relatively low when compared to other experienced fighters.

This also comes into play with intelligence. Since neither team has knowledge, it's important to be able to analyze what your opponents are doing or what is or isn't working on them. Megatron immediately deduces that Bumblebee is using a quarticle psychic patch to enter Megatrons mind, which is impressive considering this is Megatron's subconscious. I could cover more feats like this, but this should be enough to prove at the least Megatron can deduce the issue of not being able to hit Gojo due to infinity, as well as any other tricks.

Megatron can survive direct contact with Dark Energon, which starscream (And literally everyone else) states can destroy everything it touches. In addition, Dark Energon was powerful enough to corrupt the entirety of cybertron (I will show this later one) This may also count as hax resistance, and this, by far, is the most potent hax here. Not only can it do this, it also fatigues those who have notbuilt a resistance to it as Megatron has, Optimus had eventually overcome this due to his continued contact, so luckily he won't be as affected.

Our first weapon includes the Dark Spark, which in the words of Megatron, allow the Master to bend the very fabric of the Universe and it's inhabitants to their will. Not much else is known about it, with even Vector Prime, a Multiversal Entity, not knowing of it's presence. It however, can move between universe as it broke through a barrier separating the Aligned continuity to the other continuities.

A: Dear Dabbler in Darkness,

If you will pardon the pun, I am as in the dark as they are. I have never personally encountered this malevolent force. Perhaps it is the dark essence of the Chaos Bringer himself, a focused matrix of Angolmois energy. Perhaps it is a fragment of the D-Void, dripping with the strange and necromantic energies of the Dead Universe. Perhaps it was once a Matrix of Leadership, corrupted by Violen Jiger and unleashed on the Multiverse as a weapon. Perhaps it is the essence of Megatron himself, from a timeline where his plot to assimilate all of the sparks on Cybertron was not foiled by Optimus Primal's Maximals. Perhaps some fragment of Mortilus survived to the current age to sow destruction. Perhaps it is an artifact created by the sinister Ebon Knights in their inscrutable service to the Elder Gods. In the end, what matters is that good bots stand against it, and never allow it to fall into the hands of those who would use it to subjugate others.

What is certain is that it is a force most powerful. It was the Dark Spark which punched through the quantum membrane separating the Uniend Cluster from the rest of the Multiverse, causing significant dimensional bleed and allowing for the TransTech to begin to build the taxonomy of its various streams.

Back to Dark energon, Megatron is able to corrupt entire rooms with dark Energon, and anyone it makes contact with dies. Enough Dark Energon is strong enough to corrupt the entirety of cybertron.

Megatron’s fusion cannon is his most frequently used weapon, and for good reason. During the insecticon invasion of the Nemesis, Megatron stands amidst the chaos and fires upon the invading bugs with his cannon. Here we see him one shot an insecticon, and again here. Here his alt mode cannons obliterate a mountain sized Unicron avatar. Note that his ship cannons are weaker than his fusion cannon. It then goes on to destroy another’s leg, bringing it to the ground. When Bumblebee’s arrival with the Star Saber was imminent, Megatron blasts him three times, terminating him (before being revived by the cybermatter)

The dark star saber is the other weapon Megatron has, it is shown obliterating pyramids during his confrontation with Prime. It also was stated after the battle to have been able to tear the world apart. This is clearly hyperbolic but proves its strength non the less. This weapon also scales to this featfrom the Star Saber, which shows it cutting a large hill sized boulder clean in half casually, and then proceeding to cause the Nemesis to shake and be thrown off course.

Weapon wise, Optimus has blasters and guns, in both bodies. There is no evidence to suggest that there is a difference in power level between the two bodies’ blasters, so I won’t split them up.Collapses a large cliff when fighting Unicron’s avatars, Collapses another cliff when facing off against Dreadwing, causing a large avalanche, One shots an insecticon, Staggers beast-mode Predaking with one blast etc. His mini-railgun Completely obliterates the inside of a cave and Pushes back and slams Predaking into a cliff, then (along with his blaster) obliterates much of the side of the cliff, before then going on to harm Predaking yet again. So technically Optimus can just bury both of them but I doubt that will do anything.

Prime also has the normal Star Saber which is the joint-most deadly weapon in the show along with the Dark Star Saber. Capable of fighting like a normal sword and releasing large energy waves, the weapon is quite the fearsome and versatile one. This weapon’s feats have been given already, Scaling to pyramid busting DSS, slicing a large hill clean in half, staggering the Nemesis, etc. An additional feat includes, while depowered, the Star Saber is capable of going through and killing (base) Megatron.

Now the final one we have here, is the Matrix. We know at the least in can overpower the Dark spark, with the Matrix multiple times being stated to grant the user the collective wisdom of the 13 Primes. Ones in the show and the game.

It's really unclear what abilities it has, but featwise, it's safe to assume it can hurt character who are pure evil. Like Unicron, where Optimus created a protective barrier around himself to shut Unicron down and back in stasis.

It's also a good time to note that Energon, whenever it makes contact with a non Cybertronian, is toxic. This ranges from blasters to energon bleeding.

In my opinion, Optimus and Megatron are physically stronger and much more durable than Gojo and Sukuna, however the JJK duo are much faster, and definitely have a comfortable speed gap given what the claim for their stat is.

Both Optimus and Megatron have lived and fought for millions of years, with their war covering a majority of their lives. Both Optimus and Megatron should have no problem outwitting the other duo, especially when it comes to abilities.

There are multiple ways Gojo's infinity can be seen, but based on my knowledge, Infinity is a repeated infinite space between you and your opponent. You'd either need something that doesn't need to be interacted with, or a some sort of space manipulation. Luckily, both Optimus and Megatron have this. Megatron with the Dark Spark, Dark Energon, and the Dark Star Saber, and Optimus with the Matrix of Leadership, and the Star saber. The reasons the sabers may be able to interact and break through infinity, is because they have direct scaling to Primes Decepticon hunter which cuts and interacts with a space bridge. For those who aren't aware, a space bridge is essentially a form of teleportation that allows one to travel to different planets, dimensions, or just smaller locations like teleporting from school to home. Even if you don't think this is proof enough of space manipulation, Gojo can't resist Dark Energon which is essentially radiation, and the Dark Spark grants the user the bend the fabric of the universe, which would include space itself.

Theres no evidence such an ability would work on whats essentially a super computer, but Optimus should be fairly resistant to this ability, should it be in use. The matrix grants prime wisdom that spans billions of years. The 13 primes were immense beings who battles many wars and gathered information every day with every planet they traveled.

Being trapped inside the Limitless left Jogo in a complete trance, to the point where he couldn't move at all and could hardly think clearly. He could only think of how he was helpless due to the endless information invading his mind. Satoru divulged how Unlimited Void forces one's actions upon them infinitely and noted how it was ironic how the target is given everything and yet unable to do anything at all. However, not only are both Optimus and Megatron much more mentally shielded than most people in JJK, they contain artifacts that could allow them to escape and break through this barrier. We also know that it renders regular humans unconscious, requiring two months of rehabilitation to heal from, despite only being subjected to only 0.2 seconds worth of the information stream.

On that note, we have equalized energies, usually its specified but I assume it just means all abilities will work as intended. I assume that means that no matter what Gojos abilities will work, but that applies to me as well. I'll wait and see, but for now thats my take.