VS
Rules
- In characters
- MCU Canon Kingpin from Hawkeye
- H2H combat
- Random encouter-no knowledge
- Victory by death, knockout, or incapacitation.
R1:Cap without shield
R2:Cap with shield
VS
R1:Cap without shield
R2:Cap with shield
Cap both rounds. Better stats and skill.
Cap. Ragdolling Kate doesn't change anything.
Cap both rounds. Better stats and skill.
Honestly, I genuinely am skeptical that Cap could beat Hawkeye Kingpin without the shield. With the shield he definitely can.
@amendment50: What advantages does Kingpin have?
@amendment50: What advantages does Kingpin have?
Not a single one
Kingpin actually walked off a huge point-blank explosion to his face which is something Cap has never directly replicated. IMO people are underestimating the frankly pretty ridiculous fight scene that featured him in Hawkeye. It's most certainly not peak human any more than Cap is, he ripped a car door from its hinges and threw it like it was made of paper. Definitely reasonable to say Cap wins but to say it is an effortless stomp is just patently not true unless you are trying to balance Kingpin's feats between Hawkeye and Daredevil (I wouldn't, frankly I see them as essentially different characters)
Kingpin tanks being hit by a car and then sends a woman flying at 10 m/s with a simple jab and people will still say he is peak human lol.
Cap is like Daredevil and Bullseye combined with super human stats, both of whom gave Fisk trouble on their own.
R1: He takes this handily.
R2: pov: you're Fisk in round 2
@amendment50: Kingpin was badly hurt though (mostly internal damage) and didn't even attempt to defend himself from Maya despite knowing she was no longer on his side. It was taking everything he had left to get away.
Getting up from being hit by a car that knocked you out briefly isn't as impressive as remaining conscious after getting rammed by an Ultron Sentry and then proceeding to fight many more of them. Tearing a normal car door off probably is above peak human but not necessarily supersoldier level either. Cap broke off a car door just by bumping into it from a sitting position in TWS.
MCU Kingpin isn't supersoldier level. At least for now.
Kingpin actually walked off a huge point-blank explosion to his face which is something Cap has never directly replicated.
”Walked off” Um, no. The man was in pain, and didn’t fight off a much weaker opponent than Cap (Echo).
Even then, Steve Has fought people who are far more durable and given them a run for their money. Like Ultron, Iron Man, etc.
IMO people are underestimating the frankly pretty ridiculous fight scene that featured him in Hawkeye. It's most certainly not peak human any more than Cap is, he ripped a car door from its hinges and threw it like it was made of paper. Definitely reasonable to say Cap wins but to say it is an effortless stomp is just patently not true
Considering he’s fought much more powerful and dangerous foes, yeah. It’s a stomp. Take Civil War Spider-Man for example, Cap beat him. And MCU Spidey even in his Civil War days would pummel current Kingpin to death.
unless you are trying to balance Kingpin's feats between Hawkeye and Daredevil (I wouldn't, frankly I see them as essentially different characters)
They are the same character. Same Kingpin. Fisk just got an amp(maybe from a ton of training).
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