AvA of the week: Monsterverse Pink Spiral Ray vs Nuclear Pulse

Pulse is extremely impressive, an Omnidirectional attack of Radiation that can incinerate the second greatest threat of all the films is Nothing to laugh at.

But the Spiral Ray is stronger, a level of Power above the pulses but now Godzilla has control over the power.

Godzilla in other films never showed anything close to the level of the spiral ray despite being Amped like crazy by just one warhead. Back in Boston he still had the standard atomic breath. In GxK he factually absorbs more radiation while in a better state than in KOTM (he was on death's Door while absorbing one warhead) that caused him to go Thermo, while also evolving on top of that. It'd Only make sense for the spiral ray to be stronger.

Unless Adam comes out and says otherwise I'd be backing the spiral ray

In verse it's obviously the barf beam

Do you mean Tiamats ice lair here?

Both her lair and the France Powerplant, with Tiamat 's lair being declared the most radioactive point on earth.

If you want, we could throw Scylla on there too in which she ate 30 Warheads and A powerplant prior to facing Godzilla:

But it's kinda iffy because I don't remember there being a mention of him taking her power

@multifandomboyo: I think the power plant having more energy than the underwater nuke is questionable due to how huge the underwater nuke was but i think godzilla absorbed more from the plant since he went thermo after it and he wasnt shown to be absorbing the nuke himself, i think he got just what hit his body maybe even less. Tiamats domain was not called the most radioacitve, it was called the largest energy reserve on the planet which makes it even more impressive.

Spiral Ray is objectively stated as better.

@multifandomboyo: @nwname: I should point out too, Scyllia absorb SOOOOOO much Radiation, yet her performance against Godzilla was no better than when she fought a weaken KotM version of Godzilla who was still drain after fighting Ghidorah. Her durability, feats, ect are pathetic. Which really debunks the notion of more radiation equals better stats.

@sirfizzwhizz: Couldn't her past performance being better be due to godzilla being weakened and drained?

If both Scylla and Godzilla were weaker then, godzilla can perform better now by growing in power more than Scylla did.

That is exactly the case. Godzilla in Dominion was RIGHT after the KOTM fight with Ghidorah where he never healed his wounds or recharged on Radiation.

We see Scylla can easily penetrate his skin and injure him.

In GxK an Amped Up Scylla got slaughtered by Peak Health Godzilla, to the point her strikes had no effect on him.

Not to mention, Again, Radiation is used Twice in the movies to make Godzilla grow stronger so yes More Radiation = Stronger Kaiju.

Sir just has some strange hate towards KOTM being powercliffed so he makes up arguments completely contradictory to the films.

@cyanphoenix@kryptonianking88 @alphamon

Yeah, very likely since there are instances of Godzilla's statistics (Even his Physicals) getting affected by low radiation levels.

When Godzilla was energy drained by Ghidorah he was weak enough to be injured as a result of being dropped from above cloud height, And in this movie Tiamat is unable of harming overcharged Godzilla self in spite of feeding on arguably the most powerful energy on earth (Seems quite of a plothole but alright), Godzilla also No Sells the gravity beams after he absorbs Mothra's radiation.

I would argue that most MV Kaijus have variable durability on basis of the radiation they absorb, with perhaps the exception of Titans like Kong, which haven't been shown as able of feeding directly from radiation like the others.

Now about the topic, the Nuclear Pulse is better in spite of being weaker due to the omnidirectional range, albeit it's a type of attack that can only be used a few times before leaving the user drained.

Yes and no. Scyllia was draining WAAAAY more radiation, waaaay more than Godzilla who just recover his base levels. He in comic after fighting her in a weaken state slept and just recover his base strength before Ghidorah fight. Nothing in GvK or Comics states he got stronger or absorb more radiation than normal, where she ate tons of Radiation and was still slap away easy. It makes no logical sense.

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If you accept the comics isn't it very clear GxK godzilla is way above KotM one? Even ignoring Scylla's amp, in the comics KotM Godzilla was bleeding a ton by Scyllas stabs while in GxK the hits straight up bounced off.

@nwname: in comics it was stated Godzilla was suuuuper weaken from not recovering from injuries against Ghidorah. In a super weaken state and Injured he beat in a non stop Gauntlet the following.

Ahstorak? Azhek? The stupid tree loookig Titan that beat up Behometh, then a Piranha Titan and it's giant Piranha brood, then Scylla, then a final battle with full powered Tiamat.

It ran that gauntlet right after fighting Ghidorah with no chance to recover from wounds fron Ghidorah.

So at best a KotM/GvK Godzilla lol stomp a suppose suuuuupeeeer charge Scylla easy. Where a near death KotM Godzilla still thrashed a full rested Scylla and two titans before her.

I do believe the GxK has a direct comparison to the Thermo Goji attack and says its better

@kryptonianking88: Correct.

Do you think his radiation level changes his durability? If no, then even if he was extremely weakened getting stabbed by Scylla would prove his durability improved a ton in GxK compared to KotM.

My point is this though. Scyllia was able to give more a fight to a weaken Godzilla. Yes, but a super charge Scylla gave no fight to a average base Godzilla.

In both scenarios Scylla was much more powerful in radiation energies over Gojira and in one examples she gave a good fight, and another scenario she got stomped with minor physical attacks no better than the ones she suffered against weaken Godzilla?! Like the physical blows she suffered was more intense and severe against a weaken GZ yet with suppose better stats via radiation amp she suffered more from weaker attacks from base Godzilla?! Its inconsistent since both examples she had a huge advantage over Godzilla, Its inconsistent and breaks the narrative "more radiation means more stats".

Im literally arguing the facts of what is shown to us visually.

What exactly is your point with this argument though? Whether radiation amps stats or not, in either case Godzilla got tougher in GxK no? Assuming it doesn't amp stats, he got hit by the same Scylla in both and only took damage during KotM times and no sold in GxK.

@nwname: not sure how he no sold anything. She got like no attacks on him. He. He rushes her, tackles her, throws her, and blows her head off. There is zero fight for Scylla.

Did you watch the movie? Scylla tried to stab Godzilla, 2 of her hits just bounced off/got no sold and Godzilla stopped the 3rd hit and stabbed Scylla in the face with it.

I watched the movie 4 times now and I made gifs of all the scenes.

As seen we see in comic like 3 stabs with blood, but next panels after that there is zero wounds. Suggesting heavily a healing factor. Again as seen, NOOOO damage to his body by art after the feact.

Now for full context of this fight.

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Godzilla already is running a gauntlet of fights, and in a severely weaken state from Ghidorah in power energy levels.

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In this full fight panel by panel, we see Godzilla giving harder beating to Scylla. Godzilla is weaken here as I showed in first two scans. Scylla base. Yet this "weaken" GZ heals instantly the stabs from Scylla, like next panel there healsed, in seconds time frame, and throws her into docks and supply canisters, then electrifies her with a power grid, that then explodes in a massive fire, and throws her so hard to rock skip her across the ocean 3 times.

After this fight shortly GZ fights a fully powered Tiamat as well. Which he beats in a severely weaken and multi gauntlet of Kaiju fighting. Same Tiamat who gave a GxK Godzilla hell and required Godzilla using his meltdown mode of power super breath to beat. Meltdown Godzilla was still being physically match by Tiamat as much as a super weaken KotM Godzilla was.

Now lets compare to Scylla fight vs a suppose stronger Godzilla in GxK movie.

Godzilla now facing a SUPERCHARGED Scylla whop hate multiple nukes and a power plant. She is "supercharged" and what do we get performance wise? Godzilla in base brushes off her charge easy, throws her ass with roughly same force if not less than what he did in the ocean.

She gets pounce on, throws three attacks, and head blown off. Thats all we see performance wise form a massively super charge Scylla. This is the whole fight. I just re watched. This is it. Prove me wrong if you can since I just re watched it now.

We see her try to stab one time on the right shoulder of Godzilla and it does not pierce, but then we dont see the other stabs if they pierce or not. Maybe the other two stabs on the back did pierce and healed super fast just like the comic show? Or maybe the Special Affects department did their effects different than the rando comic artist of the comic where we see some stab wounds that magicaly dont exist next panel?! Its so unclear to judge this.

Other evidence and factors.

As stated the density is only increase to not go meltdown mode when becoming Evolve Godzilla. Meaning his density was very much the same since KotM as its noted it only changed now in Evolve form. So his fight with Scylla was same molecular density as he always was before evolved form where he literally evolved.

Hel lets compare how this supercharged Evo Godzilla stats just dont match up to Kong whom GZ beat fine back in GvK in a "less energize" states.

Evolve Godzilla rams Kong with a full charge through the pyramid. Kong is fine.

Godzilla slams Kong yet again into the Pyramid and full up and over body slams the ape. Kong still good.

Kong then throws freaking sand in Godzilla's eyes and lays Godzilla ass flat with a single attack from the Mechagodzilla grade gauntlet.

Just for Reference this super power punch from the Mechagodzilla tech made Gauntlet did not even KNOCK OUT SCAR KING!!!!! but it dazed and took down Evolve Godzilla???!!!??!!

Godzilla is shown temporary KOed and stun for a lengthy time till recovering from the several blows of the Mechagodzilla level Gauntlet and Kongs NORMAL FISTS!!!!!

Then Godzilla comes to and foot stomps Kong several times... guess what.... Kong is fine! Where last movie this broke his ribs and stopped his heart, but Evolved super Godzilla out for blood failed to do that again???!!!!???

Conclusions

How the hell does any evidence suggest radiation amps the stats of these Kaiju again? All evidence and performance suggest its just better energy attacks and energy reserves, not stats. Except Fire Godzilla who stats seem to increase or his healing factor amped more maybe? So much evidence against they get stronger crap unless it Fire Godzilla or Evolve Godzilla in stats. Even then the stats were not seemingly that high from base.

There's literally zero good arguments for Thermo Godzilla's side lmao to the point we're saying "maybe" and believing fan interpretation takes precedence over prior established lore that checks out with what's said in TNE

@greysentinel365 said:

Spiral Ray is objectively stated as better.

This pretty much seals the deal

@frozen@gangorca

Nuclear pulse is more powerful by an indescribable margin and they're not in the same league.

The Spiral Ray is directly stated to have the greatest energy levels Godzilla has ever produced, so there you go. I am quite underwhelmed by Evolved Godzilla's performance though, he didn't do anything that he couldn't have done prior to evolving except for the suplex against Kong. Seems like he was only created to sell toys.

It hilarious that SFW made one of the better arguments for GxK Godzilla being far more powerful than before at just the start of the movie and didn't even realise it.

Pink Spiral Ray wins with 61%