Týr & Heimdall are not sons of odin in god of war games

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I came through this post to refute people who say Týr and Heimdall are sons of Odin in the God of War series.

Starting with the Codex, both Kratos and Atreus

In the Codex, they refer to Thor as the son of Odin, brother of Baldur, and father of Magni, Modi, and an unnamed daughter.

In Baldur's, they refer to him as the son of Odin and Freya, brother of Thor and uncle of Magni and Modi.

In Odin's Codex, they refer to him only as the father of Thor and Baldur.

Remembering that the Codex would be a guide to information about the character and should contain all or most of the information about the character.

Now about Mimir, the smartest man alive.

Remembering, if Týr and Heimdall really were Odin's sons at some point in the franchise it would be revealed, Odin would call them sons, or Thor and Baldur would call them brothers or even Magni, Modi or Thrúd would call them uncles.

The Aesir family is a totally dysfunctional family, that's a fact. But the developers make it clear who is part of it, whether through dialogue or in the Codex, which is not the case with Týr and Heimdall.

In GoW 2018, when Baldur and his nephews go to Mimir to obtain the whereabouts of Kratos and Atreus, Baldur offers and says he would speak to Odin for Mimir's freedom, Mimir retorts saying that Baldur's father would never free him. Oh, he also calls Magni and Modi Thor's sons in this scene.

https://youtu.be/hheGFPdBzUU?si=3VcKuNc0niV1Yeyt

Still in GoW 2018, when Atreus asks about Magni and Modi, Mimir talks about them being Thor's children, again confirming their relationship with Thor, Baldur and Odin.

For Thor and Baldur it's the same thing, they are called sons of Odin countless times throughout the game.

Here's an image where Baldur refers to Thor as his brother:

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Here is an image where Odin calls himself father to Thor.

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Thor and Baldur are definitely brothers and sons of Odin.

When Heimdall dies and Atreus returns to Asgard, Odin questions him about whether they knew anything that might have happened to Heimdall, (Odin calls Heimdall Heimdall), Atreus points to Thor possibly having killed Heimdall, see below:

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Odin calls Thor his son, but not Heimdall? And look, Heimdall just died... I know Odin doesn't care about his family. But he was pretending to care because he wanted to give Atreus a good image, don't you think that if Heimdall was Odin's son, Odin wouldn't refer to him as his son in the scene above?

At Sindri's house, Odin, disguised as Týr, upon learning of Heimdall's death at the hands of Kratos, refers to Heimdall as Odin's loyalmost ally, unlike Gow 2018, who after Kratos killed Magni, Mimir says that Odin would come behind him for the death of his grandson.

Mimir is the smartest man alive, right? He always mentioned the family ties of the Aesir that we are debating now. Less than Odin would be the father of Heimdall or Týr. About Heimdall, he only mentioned that Heimdall became so fascinated by Odin, to the point of being absolutely certain that he was the greatest of all the gods. Going back to GoW 2018, Mimir always mentioned Týr's stories, but would he never have mentioned that he would be the son of Odin? This is, to say the least, strange.

In Niflheim, according to Sif, Odin said "No more Aesir blood would be spilled" and "Family comes first". It's more likely that she was referring to Heimdall as Aesir blood because when she says "family comes first", she uses Thor and Thrud to convince Odin, not Heimdall. Sif says "he put your granddaughter in danger" and "he's made your son miserable". In that context, she would have said something along the lines of "and now he's killed your son too" if she was referring to Heimdall as family.

Heimdall never calls Odin his father and only addresses him as "all-father", a common and known epithet of Odin that's used by Atreus, Thor, and the Valkyries, only one of whom is supposed to be his son.

When bullying Thrud, Heimdall says "You see, everyone takes it easy on you because they are afraid of your father. I am not". Which doesn't identify Thor as his brother and when he says "You have a lot to learn, little girl. Starting with who your family is... and who it is not.", he doesn't call her his niece and uses family in a way similar to how mafia members describe their unit of organised crime. In contrast, Magni and Modi call each other Brother and Baldur distinctly says "I'm not my brother" when referring to Thor.

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Oh, and where are Týr and Heimdall in the picture of the Aesir royal family?

If you're going to talk about mythology, please don't comment ;)

Credit goes to this guy for the essay

https://godofwar.fandom.com/f/p/4400000000000053863

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I thought that was obvious.

Not sure why people thought otherwise.