Rob Lucci Vs Sanji
The awakened zoan guy who could match a punch from G5... the guy who in hybrid could match with G4 Boundman Luffy in speed and be comparable in power... the guy who scales far above Kaku who in base is comparable to Zoro who's >=< Sanji... the awakened guy who can take three hits from G5 Luffy and still get back up...
Rob Lucci wins.
@plaguedocter: base kaku is not comparable to Zoro. Zoro could compete with his awakened form without KOH style
@godam said:
1) And Marco can clash with Yonko so there are few YC can briefly clash with Yonko Lucci isn't the first
No he can't and hasn't.
All he ever does is abuse his special phoenix properties.
Also the YC who can actually clash with and stay in a fight against a Yonko is like Rob Lucci, Yamato, and that's about it featwise the others can't compare in actuality (before you say Ashura Zoro i'll let you know he did that for all of 1 page and immediately gassed out he is no where near Yama or Rob who could do so better and for an extended period of time),
2) base kaku is not comparable to Zoro. Zoro could compete with his awakened form without KOH style
Base Kaku is comparable to Zoro he kept up with him in speed when against the Seraphim and was comparable in power when they hit it.
Being relative to G5 Luffy in any meaningful way puts Lucci on a level above Sanji. The only reason this isn’t getting locked is not having seen enough feats to accurately gauge Lucci’s level to same degree of knowledge we have of his pre-time skip self.
@plaguedocter: he hasn't? Stop lying to me
Marco can clash with Yonko Big Mom so yes he CAN, and he's done it
It happened both in the manga and anime
Again stop lying to me
Abuse his Phoenix power? wow so hypocrite It's like saying Luffy or any df user can't use their powers in battle.. that's sound ridiculous
Marco at least damaged Prometheus and Zeus
Lucci can't even land a hit on Luffy who's trolling the entire time
@plaguedocter: Zoro directly showed he was comparable to awakened kaku so that comparison is just how he chose to help
@godam: Yeah Marco wasn't clashing he had an Innate advantage it wasn't that he was stronger by anymeans just that Phoenix Flames > Normal Flames.
Nice try tho.
Also singular homies are not as strong as a yonko only when combined do they hit such a level.
Also where did Marco EVER affect Zues???
As for Lucci not hitting G5... makes sense Luffy was faster by decent a bit and had Future Sight... you can't hold that against Lucci Also like I said prior Lucci could match G4 Luffy in speed while in Hybrid.
Sanji stomps. The only impressive thing Lucci did was clash punches with a G5 Luffy who wasn't even using ACoC right before getting humiliated by him, Sanji already beat a more durable Zoan
@bbnakedsnake: Since when did he beat it? he got pissed off kicked the damn thing and next time they're shown it's still completely fine he even took damage from it's punch.
@bbnakedsnake said:
1) Sanji stomps.
No he doesn't.
Rob Lucci has far better feats overall.
2) The only impressive thing Lucci did was clash punches with a G5 Luffy who wasn't even using ACoC right before getting humiliated by him
He was using Adv Conq. there's literally no reason he didn't.
Luffy was taking revenge for Atlas who feed him, he went G5 in response to Lucci's threat, if he wanted to hold back why go G5 ever in the first place, G5 has been said to use Conqueror's haki, it's said many times Luffy is serious in a fight (as in doesn't pull punches), and that Luffy goes all out in everything he does (doesn't pull his punches).
There's no reason he doesn't use Conqueror's Haki in that fight.
3) Sanji already beat a more durable Zoan
Uhhh no... Lucci took three named attacks from G5 Luffy and still got up pretty fine... Queen wouldn't be able to replicate that.
@xebec said:
1) lucci vs G5 gotta be the most overrated performance from any OP character ever up there with Yamato vs Kaido
Dude your the same guy saying Yamato is like Ulti level.
Despite Yamato having direct feats against a Hybrid Kaido superior to like everyone prior.
Rob Lucci can take multiple hits from G5, match a punch and in weaker forms (Hybrid) can match a G4 Luffy im speed... your denial of his feats doesn't make Lucci weak.
Rob Lucci wins.
@xebec said:
1) lucci vs G5 gotta be the most overrated performance from any OP character ever up there with Yamato vs Kaido
Dude your the same guy saying Yamato is like Ulti level.
Despite Yamato having direct feats against a Hybrid Kaido superior to like everyone prior.
Rob Lucci can take multiple hits from G5, match a punch and in weaker forms (Hybrid) can match a G4 Luffy im speed... your denial of his feats doesn't make Lucci weak.
Rob Lucci wins.
lucci getting 3shot is not a feat
>matching gear 4 in speed
why should matching bound-man be a feat against someone like sanji?
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@xebec said:
1) lucci getting 3shot is not a feat
Wasn't three shot he got hit three times by named attacks but not 3shot.. Lucci could still get back up after the third hit he wasn't dropped.
Also if you are getting hit by G5 Luffy then sure it is a feat and a great one at that your fac8ng a yonko not getting oneshot like Act 1 Luffy already means your far stronger than most.
Remember even non mastered adv Conq Luffy was knocking Hybrid Kaido down right after Zoro explicitly couldn't do so with Ashura... and Awakened Lucci could match and take multiple named moves from a G5 Luffy's punch whose >>>>> Non mastered adv Conq. Luffy whose >> Ashura of which is Zoro's like strongest technique as such > Ifrit Jambe since Zoro > Sanji is Ap.
Rob Lucci is just in that middle area alongside Yamato, Law, and Kidd (and presumably Sabo in my mind) between the high tiers (Most Commanders) and top tiers (Yonko/Admirals) as they aren't fodder like commanders but aren't on the level of actual top tiers yet can hang in a fight longer than most ever can or could.
2) why should matching bound-man be a feat against someone like sanji?
Becuase G4 Boundman Luffy could combat Hybrid Shuron Hakke, Future Sight using, Kaido... Sanji ain't on that level he's fast but he's not faster than G4 Boundman Luffy or arguably even Gear 2 Luffy...
@xebec said:
1) lucci getting 3shot is not a feat
Wasn't three shot he got hit three times by named attacks but not 3shot.. Lucci could still get back up after the third hit he wasn't dropped.
Also if you are getting hit by G5 Luffy then sure it is a feat and a great one at that your fac8ng a yonko not getting oneshot like Act 1 Luffy already means your far stronger than most.
Remember even non mastered adv Conq Luffy was knocking Hybrid Kaido down right after Zoro explicitly couldn't do so with Ashura... and Awakened Lucci could match and take multiple named moves from a G5 Luffy's punch whose >>>>> Non mastered adv Conq. Luffy whose >> Ashura of which is Zoro's like strongest technique as such > Ifrit Jambe since Zoro > Sanji is Ap.
Rob Lucci is just in that middle area alongside Yamato, Law, and Kidd (and presumably Sabo in my mind) between the high tiers (Most Commanders) and top tiers (Yonko/Admirals) as they aren't fodder like commanders but aren't on the level of actual top tiers yet can hang in a fight longer than most ever can or could.
2) why should matching bound-man be a feat against someone like sanji?
Becuase G4 Boundman Luffy could combat Hybrid Shuron Hakke, Future Sight using, Kaido... Sanji ain't on that level he's fast but he's not faster than G4 Boundman Luffy or arguably even Gear 2 Luffy...
What's this... a sensible take?? Finally we agree.
The duel between Luffy and Lucci stretched from chapters 1069-1070.
In 1069, Lucci was performing "well" against Luffy in the sense that Luffy wasn't one shotting him. He was dodging Lucci effortlessly and drawing blood with ease. He didn't use Conqueror's Coating, emission or internal destruction at all, as far as we could see. The best Lucci managed to do was match Luffy equally in a single clash.
In 1070, Luffy literally memed on Lucci. He kicked Lucci through a wall Tom and Jerry-style, then intercepted Soru with a giant face from underground. When he dodged a bite, Luffy spat at him with stone like a machine gun, and seemingly blitzed behind Lucci to use a WWE move. He grabbed some glasses out of his hair before nearly KOing Lucci with a hit that completely rearranged his body. Luffy was crying laughing by the end of the fight.
I know Sanji isn't Gear 5 Luffy, but to use this as evidence of Lucci's supremacy doesn't cut it. It's just him being used as a punching bag for two chapters, with maybe one example of actually being a remote threat, despite Luffy using only basic Haki by what we saw.
Sanji's feats of completely demolishing Queen and making a joke out of S-Shark are far better than what we can say of Lucci up to this point.
@xebec said:
1) lucci getting 3shot is not a feat
Wasn't three shot he got hit three times by named attacks but not 3shot.. Lucci could still get back up after the third hit he wasn't dropped.
Also if you are getting hit by G5 Luffy then sure it is a feat and a great one at that your fac8ng a yonko not getting oneshot like Act 1 Luffy already means your far stronger than most.
Remember even non mastered adv Conq Luffy was knocking Hybrid Kaido down right after Zoro explicitly couldn't do so with Ashura... and Awakened Lucci could match and take multiple named moves from a G5 Luffy's punch whose >>>>> Non mastered adv Conq. Luffy whose >> Ashura of which is Zoro's like strongest technique as such > Ifrit Jambe since Zoro > Sanji is Ap.
Rob Lucci is just in that middle area alongside Yamato, Law, and Kidd (and presumably Sabo in my mind) between the high tiers (Most Commanders) and top tiers (Yonko/Admirals) as they aren't fodder like commanders but aren't on the level of actual top tiers yet can hang in a fight longer than most ever can or could.
2) why should matching bound-man be a feat against someone like sanji?
Becuase G4 Boundman Luffy could combat Hybrid Shuron Hakke, Future Sight using, Kaido... Sanji ain't on that level he's fast but he's not faster than G4 Boundman Luffy or arguably even Gear 2 Luffy...
1. Baseline G5 barely using haki is not stronger than serious luffy with CoC like that, you're stretching it
2. When did Kaido use future-sight against Bound-man? Last time that i checked kaido only used FS against snake-man
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The duel between Luffy and Lucci stretched from chapters 1069-1070.
In 1069, Lucci was performing "well" against Luffy in the sense that Luffy wasn't one shotting him. He was dodging Lucci effortlessly and drawing blood with ease. He didn't use Conqueror's Coating, emission or internal destruction at all, as far as we could see. The best Lucci managed to do was match Luffy equally in a single clash.
In 1070, Luffy literally memed on Lucci. He kicked Lucci through a wall Tom and Jerry-style, then intercepted Soru with a giant face from underground. When he dodged a bite, Luffy spat at him with stone like a machine gun, and seemingly blitzed behind Lucci to use a WWE move. He grabbed some glasses out of his hair before nearly KOing Lucci with a hit that completely rearranged his body. Luffy was crying laughing by the end of the fight.
I know Sanji isn't Gear 5 Luffy, but to use this as evidence of Lucci's supremacy doesn't cut it. It's just him being used as a punching bag for two chapters, with maybe one example of actually being a remote threat, despite Luffy using only basic Haki by what we saw.
Sanji's feats of completely demolishing Queen and making a joke out of S-Shark are far better than what we can say of Lucci up to this point.
^^^
bro he was literally SLEEPING on this man statueing his attacks
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Ifrit Sanji takes this high-diff
@mortein: Bro….Kizaru isn’t going all out there….
He literally warns his family member before he comes….
Ifrit Sanji takes this high-diff
@nassergrant19: well I'm not implying that Lucci is stronger than Kizaru, just that he's somewhat relative to him.
I would go with Lucci at this point
Yeah….that shit is getting blocked.
Sanji cooks the leopard with IFJ.
Sanji high-diffs
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