Bruce Wayne, who witnessed the murder of his billionaire parents as a child, swore to avenge their deaths. He trained extensively to achieve mental and physical perfection, mastering martial arts, detective skills, and criminal psychology. Costumed as a bat to prey on the fears of criminals, and utilizing a high-tech arsenal, he became the legendary Batman.
if bruce was not rich would he still be batman and could he be batman without his money to back him up. could in theory say a normal guy be batman without millions of dollars to afford the tech and stuff.
Yes. The Batman Handbook by Scott Beatty goes into it in depth, whereas the books goal was to prove if or if not one could be Batman, and how, going as far as to illustrate how it would be done with and without Wayne's fortune.
He could but there'd be no Batmobile, Batjet, Bat computer, Bat Cave and about 90% of his gadgets that are probably the result of millions of dollars worth of R&D wouldn't exist so he wouldn't be nearly as effective as he currently is
He could but there'd be no Batmobile, Batjet, Bat computer, Bat Cave and about 90% of his gadgets that are probably the result of millions of dollars worth of R&D wouldn't exist so he wouldn't be nearly as effective as he currently is
@DeathpooltheT1000: Bruce Wayne died the same night his parents did, and Batman was born. My point is that would Bruce Wayne have become Batman in the first place if his parents weren't killed. If the Waynes were poor, that means that Martha Wayne wouldn't have a pearl necklace to attract the attention of muggers in an alley. That means that they may not have necessarily walked down Crime Alley (short cut to get back to their mansion).
If Bruce Wayne wasn't rich, would his parents have been mugged in the first place?
Yes, middle class and poor people also have this problem.
But they wouldn't of been in Crime Alley on that day in the first place.
If Batman didn't have money he would never of even been able to travel around the world and recieve all his training and whatnot. There are many more factors, but the most obvious one is plane tickets don't buy themselves.
No way would he be Batman. He would not be a skilled detective if he hadn't gone to the best schools. He also wouldn't have the martial arts training. He wouldn't have money for R&D, so there would be no gadgets. He probably would end up being a cop or something like that.
@nickzambuto: @vicioushero: Being rich is the second most overrated thing ever(number one, being good looking, there is ways to make people give you money and belive you are good looking), under that idea Paris Hilton and Kim Kardashian are smart women.
Bruce Lee wasnt a rich guy, neither Chuck Norris and they kicked the asses of rich kids that train the same that them.
Even in real life, poor people could get into rich people and rich into poor, if being rich makes you better, there is not way that could happen.
Batman knows every martial art in the world?
There is no way that some one could do that, there is no way some one know all the Classic Chinesse styles, less to know all of them.
@nickzambuto: @vicioushero: Being rich is the second most overrated thing ever(number one, being good looking, there is ways to make people give you money and belive you are good looking), under that idea Paris Hilton and Kim Kardashian are smart women.
Bruce Lee wasnt a rich guy, neither Chuck Norris and they kicked the asses of rich kids that train the same that them.
Even in real life, poor people could get into rich people and rich into poor, if being rich makes you better, there is not way that could happen.
Batman knows every martial art in the world?
There is no way that some one could do that, there is no way some one know all the Classic Chinesse styles, less to know all of them.
No one said those to women we're smart that whole point is moot. What I'm saying is without this:
Origin
A wealthy philanthropist, Thomas Wayne, his wife Martha and their 8 year-old son, Bruce Wayne, were coming out of a movie theater. The time was 10:47 p.m. As they stepped onto Park Row (now called Crime Alley), a masked gunman named Joe Chill came out of the shadows wanting Martha's pearl necklace she was wearing. Before young Bruce's eyes, Chill shot and killed Thomas Wayne in cold blood and then Martha as she was screaming for help. Bruce, traumatized at the sight of his parents' death, would never be the same. After his parents' death, Bruce was raised by his the wise and loyal butler Alfred Pennyworth, and inherited his family's vast fortune as well as his father's company Wayne Enterprises.
Facing his parents' gravestones, Bruce made a solemn oath to avenge his parents' deaths. He toured the world looking for experts on various fields, training himself mentally and physically. Despite fiscal security, happiness eluded Bruce. Young Bruce was comforted by Dr. Leslie Thompkins, who helped him to mourn his parents and find a purpose in life. At age fourteen, Bruce started a twelve year walkabout around the world to study and learn various subjects. For academics, he studied at Cambridge in England, the Sorbonne in France, as well as other famous European universities. A Frenchman named Henri Ducard taught him man-hunting, a ninja named Kirigi taught him stealth, an African bushmen trained him in the art of the hunt, and Nepalese monks taught him healing.
You can't do this if your broke, so no he would not be Batman. He would probably be a cop, maybe a kick ass Dirty Harry cop, but not Batman
My understanding is that Batman went off to be trained while entirely cut off from his fortune. So he wouldn't have the gadgets, but he'd still be Batman.
@DeathpooltheT1000:Deathstroke had a super soldier serum. Catwoman is in no comparison to Batman.
@fodigg: He wasn't
@Crash_Recovery: Not saying he's about money, but the money gives him the capability.
I'm sorry but you guy's are being too fanatical. It's only logical to say without his money he would not have the opportunity to educate or train in the way he did. Thus not having the chance to become Batman. That's not saying he wouldn't be determined to fight crime. He would have to do it in more conventional ways like being a cop , as I've said. You have yet to come up with a valid point. Batman's not untouchable, he's just a dude with money. Warren Buffet could be Batman if he wanted.
@vicioushero: Where is it implied that he paid for his training? Do people like O-Sensei take a check? He'd probably pick up airfare and whatnot, but it would have been equally as effective--and far more instructive--for him to train as a sort of wandering vagrant, as we saw in Batman Begins.
@fodigg: Batman Begins is not cannon, and even if he didn't pay O-Sensei he still paid for expensive schools. It costs a lot of money to be able to travel the world. If he wasn't rich who would pay for the R&D for his Bat tech? No Money No Batman.
@fodigg: Batman Begins is not cannon, and even if he didn't pay O-Sensei he still paid for expensive schools.
I realize that, but if the question is "could he do it without money," the film presented a feasible example where he kinda did.
It costs a lot of money to be able to travel the world.
Not if you don't care particularly where you're going or how you get there. He was vagabonding from one teacher to the next and was eventually picked up and trained by an interested party hoping to recruit him. The same way—even in canon where he did, as you say, pay to travel from place to place quickly—he'd still have to journey alone to the mountaintops where these great instructors lived and then prove himself worthy, no money involved.
If he wasn't rich who would pay for the R&D for his Bat tech? No Money No Batman.
I disagree. As I said before, he would be Batman, just without the tech. He'd be a more "ninja" interpretation of Batman.
@sinestro_GL: Isnt like canon that Bruce was super smart as a children and that why he is so smart? (I remember that Bruce wasnt a normal children)
I mean, if i remember other guys that used to be his friend have the same type of education and those guys are dumber that Bruce.
@vicioushero: @fodigg:Batman starts as a poor guy in the Stan Lee version, he also start poor in the Darren Arrofsnoky version at the end he made himself rich in those two.
Are you kidding me, Bruce train martial arts, but the whole he train every one is one of the most not belivable at all ideas, yeah Bruce can do every move that the human body can, also can know every martial art in theory, but not study every single one of them.
Also, most of people dont know that Bruce is one of the best martial artist, those guys didnt knew he was he was Bruce Wayne or didnt care he was Bruce Wayne.
The only way to do that, was without using the Wayne Enterprises money, i mean using money would end in showing that Bruce have the Money, Training and knowledge to be Batman.
...and besides, I'd imagine that most of Bruce's classmates didn't have the same drive as Bruce did - with the whole 'I must avenge my parents' death' motive.
Nope, we're talking if Bruce Wayne can be Batman, not if Bruce Wayne could still be a vigilante. Of course he could be a vigilante, but he could not be Batman. He'd just be some guy who runs around with no superpowers, no martial arts (poor people can't afford to travel the world and master multiple martial arts), no tech and no butler to fix his wounds.
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