Admirals win.
Akainu >>>>> Marco, King, Katakuri, Zoro, Sanji.
Kizaru > Prime Rayliegh
Kuzan >> Benn Beckmann, Oden
Awakened Rob Lucci >=< Yamato
And Ryokugyu is on the sidelines he isn't even needed as they would win even without him.
Another bottom of the barrel take huh?
Buddy... Rayleigh literally is the like only relavant guy there's Benn Wankmann (lives off wanked staements) and Oden who literally has worse feats than Wano Zoro and Yamato.
A single Admiral would solo more than half the team with more to spare, another can take Rayleigh and another can take the rest heck I wouldn't even need Rob Lucci (or Ryokgyu) just Akainu, Kuzan, Kizaru and they'd still win. Top Tiers are able to take on the entire crew of Yonko and such HANDILY, heck Ryokugyu casually defeated the Beast Pirate Remnants with ease and without a scratch, then did o against the Samurai of Wano (Remaining Red Scabbards [who are comparable to Jack], Dragon Momo, and Yamato) defeating them handily aswell.
Also I already explained it a bit in my 10# post so just read the rest there.
@enemybird said:
1) These points are extremely weak.
You wish they were.
2) Scaling Oden below Zoro. (LMAO) How many times must I educate you on this???
You always overestimating Oden is always hilarious.
Dude got oneshot and lost to a Kaido two decades ago who didn't use Hybrid, didn't use Shuron Hakke, didn't use Future Sight, didn't use Flaming Torch Dragon, the same Kaido who literally fought Gecko Moria and tied to him recently in Oden's time (the same who Moria thought Oars/Zombies would let him win agaisnt Kaido so we know if Gecko Moria thought that then that younger Kaido must've been weaker than his current self as current Kaido would fodder Moria if he was that strong in the past).
Oden's feats are equalled and succeeded by Wano Zoro and Yamato via direct comparasion against a stronger Kaido...
And his portrayal is PTSD from Kaido being unable to finish the fight in his terms, a "top 5" which is heavily misinterpreted, and being in literally AWE of Roger & Whitebeard of which he never replicated a single thing they could do.
3) Ignoring King and Queen being visibly injured already when they encounter GB.
Literally a WEEK of recovery, they are all zoans, and they are all literally known for their toughness being an All Star, are from a people known for their toughness (Cyborg, Lunarian)... and you say I'm Ignoring stuff XD...
Ryokugyu bodying them and the rest if the Beast Pirate Remnants then bodying the Samurai/Ninja Remnants of the Alliance.
4) Ignoring Momo asking Yamato not to fight.
Ignoring the fact that saying not to fight =/= not protect yourself... and also Yamato basically confirming the fact that she and the rest couldn't beat Ryokugyu unless he was driven off by an additional force as the Wano Alliance weren't strong enough to drive off Ryokugyu.
And Ryokugyu literally said he'd fight the Red Hair Pirates just not that day as he was if he continued to fight would have to fight the Alliance and the Red Hair Pirates.
Also let it be known Base Yamato sneak attacked Ryokugyu that same Yamato could match a Hybrid Kaido... and Ryokugyu took that hit handily and was fine...
5) Scaling the scabbards to Jack even though on panel he would have won his 1v1 if not for the sky split. Ignoring that he 2v1'ed them for days without taking a break. Jack is 100% above all the scabbards (minus surlong). None of them are beating him 1v1.
Never said they are all above Jack all I said was that they are just comparable to Jack... which they are...
Also you don't scale the Scabbards to Jack, you scale Jack to the Scabbards as the Red Scababrds are the ones with the feats to which Jack scales off of and above not that it matters but it's just a distinction I want to make.
6) How exactly do the admirals win. I dont want to see declarative statements. I want to hear feats and references to moments in the story. Any old jackass can claim anything they want. That's all you have been doing in all your posts here.
Do you literally just ignore everything...
Akainu, Aokiji, Ryokugyu have all bulldozed and bodied through entire Yonko crews+ their allies or comprative forces many times on panel... you ignoring such a thing doesn't make it any less true...
Also Kizaru has literally fought Base, Snakeman, and most importantly G5 Luffy to a standstill to the point Luffy gassed out...
Admirals are top tiers, top tiers can body a yonko crews worth handily which Admirals have shown to do on panel multiple times...
Yonko=Admiral this point is pointless in some cases the Admiral is stronger than the Yonko
Based on what?
Kizaru on the ground right now because he is injured. If he doesn't get up next chapter that basically means Luffy one shot him. You do realize that right?
Luffy is on the ground because of a Gear 5 time limit
Kizaru running away from him the entire time
"Pant Pant"
Kizaru running away and stalling for time.
"Jeez Haven't you reached your limit yet with that form yet" Kizaru
Which means Kizaru knows about Gear 5's stamina issues. Most likely from Rob Lucci over the transponder snail because Luffy was gassed out after low difing him as well.
This is the first punch Luffy actually lands on Kizaru and he already has Looney Tunes star around his head. (which means rocked in old school cartoons)
Kizaru crashes to the ground from his injuries
Luffy because of G5 issues but he is literally still in Gear 5.
Kizaru didn't even damage him much at all.
Like literally Zoro caused more damage to Hyrbid Kaido with ACOC than Kizaru did to Gear 5 Luffy this entire time.
Even clashed with him multiple times lmao
That doesn't mean Zoro and Kaido are the same tier.
Zoro is not the same tier as Kaido because he doesn't have the damage output or durability to outlast him.
You apply the same logic to Kizaru and Luffy.
It would be even worse if you swapped Luffy with Big Mom or Kaido who don't have stamina issues at all.
it would just be Kizaru on the ground with Kaido laughing.
Now if Kizaru is shown to get up next chapter and have taken the attack decently well and show off output on the level of G5 then you would have a point.
@enemybird said:
1) I asked you to show me what feats do the admirals have that prove they win this fight and you show me a Sakazuki stalemating a bunch of commanders and Kuzan freezing a bunch of them. These are cool but it doesn't really show how they win only that there is a possibility that they are on the same tier as the yonko. I never made the argument that they were not at least in proximity to each other.
"Sakazuki stalemating a bunch of commanders and Kuzan freezing a bunch of them"
"possiblility that they are on the same tier as Yonko"
Oh my goodness you just hate Admirals don't you even now despite the recent chapters pretty darn clearly showing Admirals fight Yonko on the same footing and Kizaru's doing this to G5 Luffy even though fighting Luffy's not even his main point of focus.
2) Oden was clearly capable of defeating Kaido a yonko.
In your dreams sure the guy got out done by Wano Zoro agaisnt a stronger version of Kaido.
Nothing you will ever say will change that Oden fought a severely weaker version of Kaido your cope won't change that just as it won't change that Wano Zoro equaled Oden's best feat but did it agaisnt a stronger Kaido.
3) Rayleigh suggested (at least how I interpret it) that he could defeat current BB during the Hancock situation if he were younger. a yonko.
That's just Rayleigh and like you say it's up to interpretation...
4) Those two feats are SIGNIFICANTLY greater than freezing some of the BB pirates. If we are being honest, Magellan was more impressive because at least he got them all in one blast.
Magellen was against a far weaker Blackbeard and crew that was verbatim said to be overconfident and reckless...
And no the two "feats" are not significantly better not at all and they are barely even feats at all XD.
Aokiji/Akainu both had Blackbeard on his backfoot just by being hostile in his presence despite having a majority of his crew with him.
5) Yamato could hold his own against anyone 1v1 based on Kaido (an enemy that GB /Navy feared).
Yamato pretty much had the same level of performance as Rob Lucci did agaisnt Luffy.
6) Beckman's hype is insane and goes up with Shanks due to statements you may not like it personally, but who gives a F. its canon
And do you what's also canon... Kizaru trolling and utterly ignoring Ben Beckman despite their captain's ideals of essentially guns are for action not for threats...
Kizaru made Benn look like a nobody XD... the guy lives off certain translations of certain statements that don't reflect the manga.
7) Zoro was doing fine with Lucci.
In KoH yet still struggling... and I could say the same that Lucci is doing fine against Zoro... how is this relavant...
8) That leaves the rest of the commanders. King in invincible, Marco is invincible. Katakuri may not be able to add much due to lack of AP but he can see into the future which may help others by predicting attacks. Sanji there i guess.
King is fodder, Marco is fodder, Katakuri is fodder, Sanji is fodder, etc...
All these people are "fodder" as they just aren't gonna matter when facing a top tier some more than others we see this many times which is why I showed this:
Top tiers just don't care about Yonko crews for the most part as they just aren't even close enough to matter.
9) I think Luffy just KO'ed Kizaru hence the reference to stars above the head (like looney tunes). We will see if that turns out to be true if so... SHEESH.
Ahahaha...
And G5 Luffy KO'd Kaido here too then since Kaido had stars around his head aswell... ofc not...
Wait for the next chapter before you start saying such things anyways.
@mysteryman12345: YesZoro extreme diffs current Sanjihowever Lucci is fighting unamed Zoro attacks. Not impressive, and the latest panel has Zoro using only two swords.
Sanji might also scrap with Saturn soon so his lvl might jump up even higher. However as for current feats, Sanji trumps Lucci in every stat.
@enemybird: Get that bum past King first.
Explain how he beats King and I’ll consider it worth my time to wake you up to the reality that swapping hands with unamed Zoro attacks ain’t doing anything to Sanji lol.
Because King turned his flame off out of fear of what Zoro would do to him, then it's easy to imagine that he would do the same for Gear 5 Luffy considering G5 > Zoro (direct comparison to Kaido). Lucci managed to send Gear 5 Luffy flying when he clashed with him. Therefore, it's possible that King would turn off his flame out of fear of what Lucci could do as well. That opens the door for him to be defeated in the first place. King has not shown anywhere near the AP of Luffy and yet Lucci was able to shrug off a decent number of attacks which is no easy task. King would have to work very hard to match the damage output of a couple of hits from G5 Luffy. We haven't seen much offensively from Lucci, but sending g5 flying is enough to say he beats King if the opportunity came along.
Sanji on the other hand has not shown AP on the same level as Zoro so there really is no proof he would turn his flame off. King also managed to Blitz him in the raid suit which offers a similar powerup to the awakened upgrade the extent of which is currently unknown hence the glazing going on from the fanboys.
Sanji did not low diffQueen. He barely won. All King would have to do is outlast him which he, Marco or Katakuri should not have a problem doing. Since queen did not even hit Sanji with an ultimate attack, he most likely fell over out of straight exhaustion. King, Marco and Kuri all have to tools to outlast him. He lacks FS, King wont be afraid of him and Marco is a similar deal to King.
Because King turned his flame off out of fear of what Zoro would do to him,
Bro still reading Two Piece. King turned it off because he’d never faced anyone with Acoc before. The only other person who used Acoc was Kaido who he worshiped as a god. This bum spent nearly 50 years glazing Kaido, and believed he was inferior in every way. If some random uses the same ability his master uses, no shit he’d fumble and get scared lmao.
That wank is dead btw as Zoro himself confirmed his full power would be worthless against Flames On Lunarians.
Zoro even said it would be useless for Luffy, who is tiers above himself, to attack the Flames on Lunarian. So if Zoro thinks Luffy, whose Base Acoc alone shits on anything he did, Zoro clearly doesn’t have a chance in hell.
King being a dumbass in no way confirms anything and is more headcanon that has been debunked a year ago. Go argue with Zoro on why his full power wouldn’t do anything to flames on Lunarians.
then it's easy to imagine that he would do the same for Gear 5 Luffy considering G5 > Zoro (direct comparison to Kaido). Lucci managed to send Gear 5 Luffy flying when he clashed with him.
Marco sent Kizaru flying. Kidd sent Big Mom flying. The Akayaza 9 sent Base Kaido flying. Pre-Acoc Luffy sent Kaido’s head flying downwards.
This doesn’t prove anything. Sending a hakiless G5 Luffy who was clearly toying with Lucci, isn’t a feat. Next?
Therefore, it's possible that King would turn off his flame out of fear of what Lucci could do as well.
Lmao wat? To think your delusions would go this far. Lucci’s best AP feat is oneshotting Sentomaru and being relative to Hakiless(No Ryou/Acoc) G4 Luffy. He isn’t impressive at all in that department. Lucci’s AP isn’t even better than King
That opens the door for him to be defeated in the first place. King has not shown anywhere near the AP of Luffy
King’s AP>>>>Hakiless G4 Luffy and lol at you scaling a Hakiless G5 Luffy.
and yet Lucci was able to shrug off a decent number of attacks which is no easy task.
Shrug off? He was 3-shot while Luffy was holding back and not using any Haki lmao.
He literally fell asleep dodging this bum….
King would have to work very hard to match the damage output of a couple of hits from G5 Luffy.
Once again this isn’t a scalable feat and even then it’s more embarrassing if anything else.
We haven't seen much offensively from Lucci, but sending g5 flying is enough to say he beats King if the opportunity came along.
Yeah and I bet Marco has Admiral lvl AP for sending Kizaru flying lol.
Sanji on the other hand has not shown AP on the same level as Zoro
Yeah…damaging a Flames On Lunarian with a DJ kick without his Germa mode or IFJ turned on definitely doesn’t shit on everything King/Marco/Kata/Lucci have done…..
so there really is no proof he would turn his flame off.
Here comes your delusional takes again.
King can’t react to Sanji. Base Germa Sanji alone was FTE to Hybrid Queen who could react to Hybrid Marco who could keep up with King and Base Queen at the same time. DJ is confirmed to increase his speed and IFJ is stated to be an entirely different level of speed. Semi-Awakened Sanji alone was equal in speed to Post-Rooftop Zoro. Same Zoro who reacted to King several times. Meaning King will need to turn off his flames to even stand a chance of touching Sanji and even when he does, he’ll still be slower.
King can’t even hurt Sanji. Lunarians with duraneg physically can’t harm Sanji when he’s in his Germa Mode. Sanji will face tank any of his kicks or punches…
And Sanji no-sells his own hotter flames so the imperial dragon will be useless if he feels like standing in front of a move Zoro blitzed lol.
King also managed to Blitz him in the raid suit
The fodder RS that suppressed Kata could neg? Same supressed Kata that was dodged by Base WCI Sanji? Lmao get that shit outta here. Bro still watching Two Piece….
Sanji did not low diffQueen.
Yes he did. Even while being massively fatigued from fighting King+Queen with no break (or timeouts to get drugged up), damaged by Black Maria with no COA, Sanji still stomped an ancient Zoan with a single combo and sent him off the island.
He barely won.
Maybe in Two Piece.
All King would have to do is outlast him
King can’t hurt Sanji lol.
Sanji blitzes in different directions, forcing King to use speed mode to try and touch him and he gets his lights knocked out with an IFJ combo.
Everyone knows Sanji mid-high diffs this bum. Even One Piece YT where they glaze the shit outta King for his anime only feats.
Everyone except you because you’re legit detached from Oda’s manga. Not one take I’ve seen so far suggests you actually read One Piece. (Except maybe your Oden takes)
which he, Marco or Katakuri should not have a problem doing.
Sanji doesn’t even need IFJ for Marco or Kata lol.
Since queen did not even hit Sanji with an ultimate attack, he most likely fell over out of straight exhaustion.
Bro is writing his own manga now lmao. He was bullied and knocked into base with one combo. The cope is insane.
King,
Gets blitzed and destroyed by IFJ.
Marco
Can't even hurt Germa Mode Sanji. Sanji just destroys him with DJ.
and Kuri
Lmao. Breaks his Spear on Sanji’s head and gets bullied by DJ. .
He lacks FS,
Who cares he’s far faster than all of them. Kaido already made Kata lvl FS irrelevant when he blitzed G4 Luffy.
King wont be afraid of him
So?
and Marco is a similar deal to King.
They all lose as their feats don’t come close and your delusional Sanji hate boner doesn’t change his YC+ placement.
OT: Commanders win
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