OT: Gojo oneshots, normal Sue isn't blocking hollow purple or immeasurable void
Well... shit.
Its usually stablished Infinity's "infinite distance" isn't *exactly that.* You don't need to have inifinite range to touch him if you have a bypassing ability.
Susan Storm isn't a killer but in a bloodlust she could probably solo the Avengers no cap. She is one of the most experienced and intelligent human fighters in Marvel. Has stopped Galactus as if it was routine (it kind of is for her tbf). She can hurt Celestials and Watchers, her "Invisible energy" is stated to have the same dimensionality as Galactus and in some versions, the primordials.
@mann1234: none of what you said proves she can bypass immeasurable void or tank hollow purple. Which are sensory assault akin to infinite knowledge being forceful implanted in you and existence erasure respectively.
Okay fine Domain Expansion is a win con. So yes on that. I meant the ability to just manifest a field inside of Gojo or choking him (which is her prefered non-lethal move in the comics). How does Infinity interact with abilities that just manifest energy or matter on a selected space? I also have a comment on this same thread that mentions [this panel](https://comicvine.gamespot.com/a/uploads/original/11143/111437159/7679616-0f56c57c-ee48-40eb-804c-8be2fff1b5d3.png) and how her fields should be able to pass undeterred either way.
Invincible Woman can create Shields big enough to wrap around the planet and put Shields inside people's bodies like their lungs and hearts and she takes on powerhouses that are way above anyone in Jujutsu Kaisen.
Gojo isn't touching her
What does the size of Sue's forcefields have do with anything here? It's the potency of it that matters here. So prove it's potent enough to tank hollow purple, Gojo's domain or even that it can bypass Gojo's limitless void
@killianduclark: Domain expansion doesn't affect people without cursed energy.
No. It might still work on her. The only reason Domain expansion doesn't work on Maki is that Domains don't have any means of targeting her due to her lack of cursed energy. Gojo's domain doesn't target it's victims, he simply manifests it into the real world and all those caught within it get hit with limitless. He's already used it on non sorcerers before
Can Gojo even find Sue, since she is invisible?
Even as a kid he could detect Toji despite his lack of cursed energy and his incredible stealth
And he perceives things much slower than others
So yes he would likely be able to detect Sue. Better question would be, can Sue even block something she can't see or detect (cursed techniques)
She pops his head like a balloon.
And he warps her inside out. See I can also make vague and utterly meaninglessness declarations for how Gojo wins this
And Vision's ability to phase is through density shifting aka manipulating his mass
The thing Gojo does at a subatomic level
Either that's PIS or Vision phases some other way because Sue's force fields are consistently portrayed to not consist of molecules or atoms and is immune to existence erasure...
Molecule Man can't affect Sue's force field with his matter manipulation, because by his own words "it doesn't have a true molecular structure."
Sue's force field isn't a physical object and it isn't composed of atoms.
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Sue casually shields herself and Johnny from a Shi'ar weapon that releases the total binding energy of atoms.
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Sue sends her force field into a void of nothingness around the Ultimate Nullifier, this void erases matter from existence.
Sue shields a train from a reality wave that erases time and reality.
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Since Sue's force fields are made of energy without molecules/atoms unstable molecules (that can bond with any form of matter) can't bond with her force fields.
Meanwhile Sue can't even enclose a country in her forcefield
This was in the early 2000's and since then Sue's powers have grown (Sue's body constantly absorbs cosmic radiation from the atmosphere) proven by how she could create city-block sized force fields in the 80's, City sized force fields around 2010 and recently covered an entire planet with a force field during 2019's Annihilation Scourge event...
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And recently she can't even block telepathy from the Quiet Council of Krakoa
Sue never tried to block the Quiet Council's TP she just used Reed's TP-proof suit so she can focus on keeping her team invisible, in the past maintaining group invisibility while also using force fields for extended periods of time strained her.
Sue's force field has shown in the past to block a degree of Over-mind's telepathy in the 70's, she blocked Psi-Lord's telepathy in the 90's and Psycho Man's in 2005 so her force fields can definitely block a degree of telepathy but the FF (Especially Reed) obviously couldn't take chances with an island full of powerful telepaths hence the telepath-proof suits, The strongest telepathy she's blocked was Psi-Lord's back in the 90's while Sue was weakened so it's unclear what level of telepathy she can currently block.
Psi-Lord has to trick Sue to drop her force field before he can telepathically probe her mind after they had an extended fight.
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Sue uses her psionic energy (the energy she creates force fields with) to collect and contains Psycho Man's psionic energy all over the city and sends it into the sky. Psycho Man didn't have his control box or other tech here so he was affecting NYC and surrounding areas with his telepathy.
Sue shields her thoughts from Psycho Man with a micro-thin force field helmet.
can Sue even block something she can't see or detect (cursed techniques)
Sue has a history of sensing invisible energy forms and Sue consistently wears a force field when in combat in case she's caught off gaurd so when she enters the fight she'll likely have a shield active.
he simply manifests it into the real world and all those caught within it get hit with limitless.
Sue's attacks doesn't necessarily have to cross over a distance to hit a target, she can manifest a force field around her opponent's head or on/within their body.
She ain’t doing anything to hulk, Thor, vision, or scarlet witch or iron man if he gets prep time. If they all wanted to to do damage she is beyond dead.
Susan wins, are powers are remote and they don’t need to “travel” if she doesn’t wish to make it so. She can take what Gojo can dish out but gets one shot if an attack of hers manages to land
Bloodlusted? Sue should take it but in character Gojo takes a majority, RCT is a pretty viable bounce back for most of Sue's offence bar internals and any suffocation attempts get countered via spatial manipulation. There''s not reallly much Sue can do against infinite void, then again a bloodlusted Sue probably just pops his head before it gets that far
Bloodlusted? Sue should take it but in character Gojo takes a majority, RCT is a pretty viable bounce back for most of Sue's offence bar internals and any suffocation attempts get countered via spatial manipulation. There''s not reallly much Sue can do against infinite void, then again a bloodlusted Sue probably just pops his head before it gets that far
Sue's powers don't have to be cross over a distance, She can manifest it anywhere she wants
Sue's powers don't have to be cross over a distance, She can manifest it anywhere she wants
I know, but unless she's morals off or bloodlusted Gojo's healing factor and teleportation prevents him instantly getting one shoted by Sue's first attack, and that's kinda what she needs to do because if Sue doesn't take him out immediatly she's going to get hit with his domain expansion. Hence why a bloodlusted Sue would win due to her going for the kill and using internals while an in character Sue is probably not instantly going to do something like that.
Sue's powers don't have to be cross over a distance, She can manifest it anywhere she wants
I know, but unless she's morals off or bloodlusted Gojo's healing factor and teleportation prevents him instantly getting one shoted by Sue's first attack, and that's kinda what she needs to do because if Sue doesn't take him out immediatly she's going to get hit with his domain expansion. Hence why a bloodlusted Sue would win due to her going for the kill and using internals while an in character Sue is probably not instantly going to do something like that.
He won't realise she's attacking him as her powers are very difficult to detect let alone when you have no knowledge of what she can do and with morals on she'll likely hit him with a blunt construct which his healing factor can't help against and unless Gojo has real high-tier durability any attack from her will oneshot him plus she can blind him while she's attacking him
Bloodlusted? Sue should take it but in character Gojo takes a majority, RCT is a pretty viable bounce back for most of Sue's offence bar internals and any suffocation attempts get countered via spatial manipulation. There''s not reallly much Sue can do against infinite void, then again a bloodlusted Sue probably just pops his head before it gets that far
Sue's powers don't have to be cross over a distance, She can manifest it anywhere she wants
Not to play devils advocate but it’s argued her powers manifest at the speed of thought because they are psionic. But if Gojo has his expansion up how does her thoughts reach that limitless space to construct and dismantle Gojo?
Also that scan has context. It’s not saying she can make a force field on one side of the dimension to the other. She is stated she can manipulate said energy anywhere thought out that dimension.
Not to play devils advocate but it’s argued her powers manifest at the speed of thought because they are psionic. But if Gojo has his expansion up how does her thoughts reach that limitless space to construct and dismantle Gojo?
I don't think it has anything to do with speed, She can just manifest her energy anywhere she wants to plus I doubt he could get his expansion up before she can attack since from what I've seen Gojo makes hand gestures and says the name of his attacks while she just has to think to attack or just do it instinctively (faster than her thoughts)
Also that scan has context. It’s not saying she can make a force field on one side of the dimension to the other. She is stated she can manipulate said energy anywhere thought out that dimension
She says since her energy is drawn from a higher dimension she can manifest that energy anywhere on this plane. Here's another example where she creates a force field around a ship in a city from outside said city
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