Monsterverse Shimo vs Ghidorah

Round 1

• Fight in a an empty field that stretches for miles
• Start 500 feet apart
• Both bloodlusted

Round 2

• Same rules as before, but Ghidorah gets Rodan and Shimo gets Scar King

Shimo is more durable and Physically stronger, she walked off the Spiral Ray that is comparable to, if not stronger than The thermonuclear Pulses of Boston. She's also a direct Counter to Ghidorah, he was frozen during the ice age times after Godzilla got a lucky shot in.

Ghidorah is more aggressive and skilled in combat but how long that'd save him before being turned into a ice pop is beyond me.

Round 2 you could try and argue something decent for Rodan being above Skar, Camazotz was on the winning end against a more in shape Kong. Rodan is scaled above Camazotz without question. Kong was capable of Killing Skar king after their first exchange, and both sides agree with that. In Universe hype supports Skar more, tho.

Shimo wins both, with her carrying round 2

From what I’ve heard,

Evolved Godzilla ~ Shimo > Base Godzilla >= Ghidorah

Kong (Beast Glove) >= Scar King > Base Godzilla

This Godzilla is stupidly more powerful than any previous

Shimu could take a nap in front of Ghidorah and it can do nothing to stop it. And given Ghidorah is so fragile that base Godzilla can rip it to pieces, Shimu could likely kill him just by walking at him.

As for R2, every other kaiju in KOTM was fodder. If Ghidorah can't do it, Rodan makes no difference. And Scar King was ineffective fodder who's best feat is dealing a single papercut. They don't even matter.

R1 either way. Ghidorah is stronger but Shimo's ice breath can one shot.

Idk about R2. I still have no idea where to scale SK so ig I will go with T1 for now.

Base Godzilla is not at all > Ghidorah. In KotM Godzilla was amped by a super nuke and needed further amping with Mothra energy to beat Ghidorah at all. So lets not pretend Base GZ > Ghidorah. If anything Base GZvsKong Godzilla = base KOTM Ghidorah. I say base Ghidorah as Ghidorah can also amp himself with a simple snack on the electrical grid.

Pretty much. Ghidorah is stronger for sure, or at least as strong as Shimo. That ice is just a hard counter.

Ghidorah I’m tired of the 20x amp bs logic lmao Kong didn’t get amped and he fought 20x amp Godzilla the same way he fought Godzilla in GvK.

Ghidorah wins Shimu wasn’t impressive at all

I think he's stronger. While Shimo was definitely superior to Godzilla, the difference is that Ghidorah nearly killed him.

Only one person so far has used the 20x amp argument and Kong was also amped against Godzilla with the glove. And let's be honest he did way better then back in GvK.

@moosixer: Kong received a significant upgrade to his striking power via the metal glove. The glove gives Kong enough power to knock Godzilla down with one punch and take zero damage from Godzilla's bite, which were things he couldn't do in GvK. Godzilla is stronger and tougher than he was in GvK but his brain can still get rattled enough where he'd lose his balance and need time to recover. Kong is very active in Hollow Earth and constantly hunting for food so he has also leveled up in experience since GvK. Godzilla occasionally takes down a titan that's out of line or in his way, but his atomic breath seems to do most of the work and he doesn't need to eat other titans to survive. GxK Kong is not the same Kong who had trouble with a Warbat even if we don't take the glove into consideration.

Shimo only wasn't impressive against Godzilla because Godzilla was able to prepare. Shimo would defeat pre-evolution base Godzilla and Godzilla probably sensed that which is why he decided to evolve himself. Godzilla leveled up enough to be able to wrestle with Shimo and counter her freezing with his stored energy. Ghidorah has no answer to getting encased in ice while Shimo can tank evolved Godzilla's atomic breath which should be stronger than Ghidorah's gravity beams (I'd argue GvK Godzilla's atomic breath was already stronger by feats).

Terrible match-up for Ghidorah.

Scar King beats Rodan since he is fast enough to dodge any attack Rodan tries to land and has superior range with his "whipslash" weapon. Scar King is faster and more experienced than Kong, who was able to block and dodge atomic breath consistently. Rodan is fast, but he's not faster than atomic breath and he'd eventually go down from a few hits from a sharp weapon like the whipslash.

Shimo is larger and heavier than Godzilla or Ghidorah, so even if Ghidorah is stronger (doubt it), it doesn't mean he can lift Shimo like he lifted Godzilla. Shimo can't grab like Ghidorah, but she could bite his heads off if Godzilla can (look at how big her head is compared to Godzilla's). Shimo is definitely tougher than Ghidorah, taking no damage by the end the movie. Ghidorah lost a head in cqc against base Godzilla and was burned to death. Shimo's upper limits for energy resistance are unknown and she doesn't have energy for Ghidorah to drain like Godzilla does. Ghidorah doesn't have an answer for Shimo at all while Shimo can simply encase Ghidorah in ice like she did to Godzilla, so I don't see how this could be 50/50.

Shimo wins by freezing Ghidorah or biting off Ghidorah's heads. Ghidorah's bites are doing nothing to Shimo's huge neck.

I wanna see the movie again, as I’m a fan of big monster movies.

But seeing everyone vote for Shimo is throwing me off, lol. Not saying the massses are wrong, but Shimo just doesn’t seem tough enough. Ghidorah seemed so much bigger and more aggressive. I would’ve bet on it before Shimo pre-comments.

@sirfizzwhizz: absorbing Boston‘s power grid is an amp for sure, not base. And he was losing before in the ocean before Godzilla got hit with the OD, with the nuke only restoring him to base power.

There are conflicting WoG that GvK GZ was either stronger than ever or slightly weaker, with Kong being noted as a bit past his prime.

@jurance:

A metal fist isn’t going to cover a 20x amp advantage from an opponent who was already clearly superior.

@rebake:

So much nonsense in this post it’s ridiculous. Kong was already knocking Godzilla down in gvk and he punched Godzilla multiple times with the metal glove yes it gives Kong a slight buff it’s like the equivalent of wearing brass knuckles on your fist that’s it.

Also Godzilla prepared it’s self to go to war because of the tribe people sending out that signal it didn’t know about Shimu

Also Godzilla atomic breath didn’t get stronger if Godzilla shot his atomic breath at the ground and kom it would have done the same thing as it did in gvk and Ghidorah no sold atomic breath multiple times.

Shimu is a match because Ghidorah was already frozen in ice but 3 gravity beams at once should easily overpower the ice and Ghidorah teeth can pierce Godzilla so we know it can do the same to Shimu…

Yea scar king should beat Rodan

Glove is a full amp to all his stats, like bane. See the difference in him getting one shot by shimo the first time around to him in Rio casually blocking one of those same attacks that heavily crippled him.

@multifandomboyo:

No the glove didn’t amp his entire body lmao. The ice didn’t due the same damage as before because it actually gave Kong real hand frost bite and the metal glove protected his arm from the frost bite the second time around

The first time around Kong could barely stand his ground with the Axe while using 2 hands while he was getting frostbite at the same time.

The second time around he's using one arm to block a beam that was overpowering and frosting him before.

Edit: Not only that, but he can take Godzilla's Stomps MUCH better this time around, last time he had broken ribs and ended up nearly dying. This time around he's pretty much fine after getting stomped on like 2-3 times.

Yes the grid amped him. So what? GZ was amped by a super nuke and already going meltdown mode from the extra power before Ghidorah amped by Grid. Add to this Godzilla had help from Monarch and fighters.

Ghidorah losing in the ocean makes sense, its Godzilla's homefield advantage and not Ghidorah.

You didn't read what I wrote carefully. Kong never knocked Godzilla down with a punch. He threw his entire body at Godzilla twice (once on a carrier and once in Hong Kong) while he was unstable and used the axe (which caused an explosion) but never just knocked Godzilla down with a punch to the head. That glove uses Mechagodzilla technology so it is very capable of hurting Godzilla. It's not just a giant brass knuckle and can be used as a shield/armor.

Any evidence Godzilla didn't know about Shimo? He's aware of powerful titans around the world and Shimo was around during the ice age (which she caused), so she's not new to the planet. If he had no idea about Shimo then Godzilla overprepared for Skar King and his army to the point of overkill. They didn't have weapons like Kong's axe so they'd lose to base Godzilla. Godzilla at the start of GxK is also most likely a lot stronger than the version of Godzilla who defeated Skar during the war, and definitely more experienced.

Any evidence Godzilla's breath didn't get stronger? It changed color for a reason. Godzilla's dorsal plates also changed shape and color. Seems obvious to me.

Ghidorah did not free himself for centuries, so he cannot just blast the ice once he's frozen solid. The ice needs to be damaged or melted from the outside since Ghidorah doesn't have a way to heat the outside of his body like Godzilla. Godzilla's dorsal plates light up before he breaks out of the ice. This fight takes place in an empty field so Ghidorah does not have a way to power up or heal with a power grid or volcano. Base Ghidorah has as much chance here as he has against Godzilla while in the ocean.

Ghidorah's bites will do a lot less to Shimo (even if we assume Ghidorah can bite through her armor) considering how big she is and she doesn't have any energy to absorb (freezing occurs due to lack of energy). Nothing to stop Shimo from freezing Ghidorah at point-blank range.

@rebake: Godzilla only managed to bite his head off when they were in the water so Shimo is not going to be able to replicate the same move on land. Yeah freeze breath is a one shot but Ghidorah can dodge it or block it with gravity beams.

@moosixer said:

I never said that Godzilla had a 20x amp. But he clearly still got stronger and Kong beating him up is not an anti-feat because Kong also grew stronger + had a gauntlet this time.

@rebake:

Lmao Kong knocked Godzilla down with his regular fist as well and Mecha Godzilla fought a injured and tired Godzilla not only that he couldn’t really hurt Godzilla unless he used his atomic breath so having Mecha Godzilla tech don’t mean anything if you don’t have atomic breath.

Godzilla didn’t about Shimu because Shimu was in hollow earth he can’t sense things in hollow Earth that’s the whole reason Kong lives down there so Godzilla can’t sense him did you even watch the movie? Yes the apes Godzilla fought in the past did have the axe where do you think Kong got it from lmao he didn’t make it himself it was already made. Godzilla prepared for war with what he thought was going to be multiple apes once again all of this was explained in the movie…

You was talking about the blue atomic breath cause you referred the the Tokyo scene from gvk Godzilla breath did get stronger cause he got more radiation in the new empire but to say it got strong enough to kill Ghidorah is a stretch when Ghidorah took atomic breath to the chest from a nuked up Godzilla and it did nothing.

Size doesn’t equal durability and Godzilla has better durability feats than Shimu so if it can’t pierce Godzilla it can’t pierce Shimu. Yea Shimu can freeze Ghidorah but when Ghidorah can’t shoot 3 different lighting attacks at once it’s not going to happen

@rebake:

Lmao Kong knocked Godzilla down with his regular fist as well and Mecha Godzilla fought a injured and tired Godzilla not only that he couldn’t really hurt Godzilla unless he used his atomic breath so having Mecha Godzilla tech don’t mean anything if you don’t have atomic breath.

Godzilla didn’t know about Shimu because Shimu was in hollow earth he can’t sense things in hollow Earth that’s the whole reason Kong lives down there so Godzilla can’t sense him did you even watch the movie? Yes the apes Godzilla fought in the past did have the axe where do you think Kong got it from lmao he didn’t make it himself it was already made. Godzilla prepared for war with what he thought was going to be multiple apes once again all of this was explained in the movie…

You was talking about the blue atomic breath cause you referred the the Tokyo scene from gvk Godzilla breath did get stronger cause he got more radiation in the new empire but to say it got strong enough to kill Ghidorah is a stretch when Ghidorah took atomic breath to the chest from a nuked up Godzilla and it did nothing.

Size doesn’t equal durability and Godzilla has better durability feats than Shimu so if it can’t pierce Godzilla it can’t pierce Shimu. Yea Shimu can freeze Ghidorah but when Ghidorah can’t shoot 3 different lighting attacks at once it’s not going to happen

i heard something about Shimo being the one that put Ghidorah on ice in the distant past

Ghidorah getting hit by the beam would end it imo (which is likely)

Ghidorah just needs to get close like he did in the final battle in kotm or Shimo shoots him down (considering how much reach she has). Water limited Ghidorah's mobility and ice/freezing does an even better job at limiting mobility. Ghidorah goes down if his wings get frozen. I don't think Ghidorah can block the frostbite blast. Not sure if Godzilla can either. Shimo's mouth is absolutely huge compared to Ghidorah's (even counting all three heads), so the gravity beams and frostbite blast might go through or past each other and hit their targets. But Shimo can tank a beam stronger than gravity beams while Ghidorah becomes immobilized by ice.

Ghidorah looks bigger in some shots due to his wings and necks, but Shimo is actually larger. Shimo looks smaller at times bc she walks on all fours. Ghidorah looks a lot closer to Godzilla's size with his wings folded up. Ghidorah is more aggressive, but Shimo was fighting against her will in GxK. Shimo is definitely tough enough though, and never took serious damage like Ghidorah did (losing a head) from base Godzilla.

Shimo freezes Ghidorah. We already know Ghidorah got frozen in the past and his gravity beams wouldn't damage Shimo.

@rebake:

Ghidorah is not only like 2/5ths larger than Godzilla was but also weighs 1/3 more than Godzilla. So what are you talking about?

Shimo height is 162.43 meters tall.

Roughly 532 feet. Like 10 feet taller than Ghidorah. There is no offical weight doubt it weighs more than Ghidorah by much though.

Shimo already tanked attacks that were wrecking Ghidorah. He freezes and shatters him.

Shimo for the Win.

@rebake: Kong's glove was able to save him from being frozen. I don't see why Ghidorah's gravity beams won't be able to do the same. As for biting his heads off, she did not bite off the heads of Godzilla or Kong so why would she do that to Ghidorah? Not like Ghidorah can't dodge. He was able to dodge Godzilla's atomic breath in Antarctica and as for freezing his wings, Ghidorah can easily break free with physical force alone. Even Kong was able to shake the ice off his glove so what makes you think Ghidorah can't?

@rebake:

Good point regarding how Shimo walks. That’s definitely why I see her more like an ankylosaurus as opposed to like a “t-rex” like Godzilla would be comparable to. Walking on all 4’s doesn’t do her justice (size wise).

Freeze resistance is an advantage the BEAST glove gives Kong and doesn't apply to Ghidorah. Nothing really damaged the glove the entire movie. Also, Kong almost lost his arm from one of Shimo's blasts which was mainly hitting the axe, so it's not like Kong could tank it. Skar King was basically one-shotted by Shimo. It's an attack only Godzilla can endure within the Monsterverse. All other titans get immobilized at best and shattered at worst.

Ghidorah only has the ability to not die while encased in ice and blocking only immobilizes a part of his body. Ghidorah does not have any answers for freezing attacks (especially once they hit), but there's evidence that he can be frozen for centuries. Gravity beams seem to not work once a head is frozen, and from his fighting style in kotm, Ghidorah isn't going to blast Shimo's beam directly the majority of the time and will get close to Shimo for cqc where he will get overpowered. Ghidorah doesn't have close to the energy evolved Godzilla has without at least a power grid or volcano to power him up. Shimo can use the frostbite blast longer and more often than Ghidorah can use gravity beams in a neutral location.

Iirc, Shimo bit Kong's arm, but it was saved by the glove. Ghidorah's (left and right) heads act like arms and will be targeted. If Godzilla's much smaller jaws can tear off Ghidorah's head, Shimo's definitely can.

Ghidorah can dodge, but it's not like Shimo is going to run out of frostbite blasts if she misses once or twice. Ghidorah can't break free of ice with his wings. If that were so, he wouldn't have been stuck in an ice cube for centuries and would've escaped a lot sooner in kotm where there was less ice due to excavation. Godzilla did not escape with physical force alone and used energy from his dorsal plates. You can clearly see him glow.

@sirfizzwhizz said:

@rebake:

Ghidorah is not only like 2/5ths larger than Godzilla was but also weighs 1/3 more than Godzilla. So what are you talking about?

Shimo height is 162.43 meters tall.

Roughly 532 feet. Like 10 feet taller than Ghidorah. There is no offical weight doubt it weighs more than Ghidorah by much though.

A lot of Ghidorah's height is from his necks. Godzilla and Ghidorah have similar sized heads. Shimo's head can fit all of Ghidorah's heads inside it and more. She's larger than Godzilla in every way. Can't say that about Ghidorah.

Shimo's body is larger. Ghidorah just has long necks and wide wings to appear even more massive. Shimo sometimes looks smaller since she doesn't stand on two legs.

@rebake: Not to say what you're saying is fully wrong, but the point is. I'm providing the actual facts on size and weight. Shimo is not much larger than Ghidorah.

Also I like the point out in this thread. Since we're talking about power and energy Ghidorah is very powerful in energy output. They are able to generate categories. 6 hurricane and was stated tear, forming the very planet with its storms raging across the world. That is Ghidorahs personal power output.

@rebake: Just because Ghidorah was trapped in ice does not mean he is weak to it, he is from outer space after all which is 3 Kelvins. We also saw a bunch of snow and ice fall on Ghidorah when he was first freed in the movie. So if Godzilla can endure Shimo's attack then Ghidorah should be able too as well unless it's confirmed that Shimo was the one who froze him which could be a possibility.

Why would Ghidorah get overpowered? He was strong enough to carry Godzilla tens of thousands of ft in the air within seconds with zero effort. In order to grab him like that, he physically overpowered Godzilla too. Shimo was definitely stronger then Godzilla but Godzilla was able to put up somewhat of a fight against Shimo, Godzilla wasn't able to break free from Ghidorah's grip before being carried into the sky. And both times Godzilla was amped.

His gravity beams should also be able to damage Shimo given the lightning from his wings after he ate the power grip seemed to have done significant damage to Godzilla because it took him some time to get back up. It would make sense if his gravity beams were at least relative to that.

Ghidorah doesn't have close to the energy evolved Godzilla has without at least a power grid or volcano to power him up

I'm assuming if it's Ghidorah post-amp. He would lose pre-amp.

I would put shimo over KG only due to her breath being a specifically good counter and I would still give KG some wins by closing distance, constricting and draining life. KG is a lot more intelligent than dumb beast shimo and this would play into the fight. As far as Rodan v Skar, I actually don’t see Skar tanking Rodan’s atomic fire wave thing…but if he can or if Rodan closes to melee Skar wins.

@six-deuce: @rebake: @jurance:

Im not going to address all point made but will explain AFTER WATCHING the full movie now, and its fresh in my mind.

Shimo Ice will freeze Ghidorah?

Ghidorah was as durable as amped Godzilla in KotM. Same Godzilla who already beaten Skar King and his monkey army as well Shimo in the past according to information dump scene. Yet Ghidorah was as strong, and when amped overpowered meltdown amped Godzilla. Why do I bring this up? Because we saw CLEARLY Godzilla overpower and PHYSICALLY break the ice he was encased in. Now you may say" But wait Godzilla is like 20x stronger in evolve form. Which is proven bullshit. Maybe in energy output and energy storage, not in durability or strength as Kong natural strength was rocking GZ and with robot arm KOED THE KING OF MONSTERS for several seconds in a SHORT AS FIGHT! Evolve GZ is not proven at all stronger than Amp Ghidorah > Amped KotM Godzilla. Only Fire Godzilla beat Amped Ghidorah.

Add to this Kongs also block the ice beam with the axe. Same axe made of Godzilla dorsal plate and some Titan bone. The Axe withstood the freezing without shattering, and we think Ghidorah wont? Same UN AMPED Ghidorah who tank amped Godzilla best nuke blast in the chest already? Much less a Amped Ghidorah?

Calling that bullshit out. Ghidorah can break free of the ice just like Godzilla did easy and has electric discharge from mouth and wings too to help break from the ice.

Weight, Height, Speed, Intelligence

Ghidorah as of now is nearly same height, and easily near weight by pictures comparisons and official stats. Speed wise ghidorah is much faster and waaaaaay smarter to the dumb as shit pet dog that was Shimo.

Flight and Regen

Ghidorah has both, Shimo does not. Benefit for Ghidorah who can fly and heal faster from any real damage.

Gravity Beams that hurt Amped KOTM Godzilla vs Shimo

Yes Shimo is again no more durable than Evolve Godzilla and that Godzilla really showed no impressive strength or durability over amped by super nuke KotM Godzilla at all. Which Amped Ghidorah physically damage with its gravity beams.

Life/Energy Drain

Ghidorah can do this as well to instantly by pass Shimo durability and since Shimo is limited to the attack range of a dog in real life, its easier for Ghidorah to pull this off the moment it attacks from the side or from behind, or just landing ontop of the dumb dog lizard.

Conclusions.......

Shimo could be a threat to a UNAMPED Ghidorah, but the Amped version should pull more wins and has more ways to attack thn Shimo does.

Pretty sure shimo wins in the fact alone that she fought a way stronger Godzilla.

@deathu101: There really is no proof evolved Godzilla was any stronger than amped kotm Godzilla. None at all.

Evolved Godzilla's preformance against King Kong really made evolved Godzilla look weak as well as Shimo performance against King Kong also made Shimo look weak.

@sirfizzwhizz: What makes you believe GZ fought Shimo when he exiled Skar and the apes? Also you should forgo the invective (dumb as shit pet dog etc). It damages your case…otherwise good points.

@six-deuce: shimo was like a dumb dog. It was literally a pet. I can write a essay on the lack of intelligence and the way they portrayed the pet dog lizard Shimo clearly was. as the movie presented it compared to GZ and Kong.

As for the main question, Scar and Apes were trapped in the basement level of Hollow Earth. Via Godzilla. Meaning Shimo was already there trapped with them. The Iwi ancient writings on the war stated Scar had Shimo. Meaning Shimo was known about as Scar Kings pet before Godzilla sealed the cavern level from the rest of Hollow Earth. How else would the Hollow Earth Iwi know what is going on in the sealed area that was sealed off? It's basically Logic.

@sirfizzwhizz:

But wait Godzilla is like 20x stronger in evolve form. Which is proven bullshit. Maybe in energy output and energy storage, not in durability or strength as Kong natural strength was rocking GZ and with robot arm KOED THE KING OF MONSTERS for several seconds in a SHORT AS FIGHT! Evolve GZ is not proven at all stronger than Amp Ghidorah > Amped KotM Godzilla. Only Fire Godzilla beat Amped Ghidorah.

Kong was also fine after being stomped on by Godzilla and Scar was fine after being hit for a split second by the atomic breath. Mothra was also able to knock over Godzilla. All that and yet there are still some people who believe that purple Godzilla is >= Burning Godzilla lol. Amped Ghidorah was not even able to move Burning Godzilla but a casual strike from Mothra knocked purple Godzilla over.

The Axe withstood the freezing without shattering, and we think Ghidorah wont?

He should be able to resist it better than the Axe and Godzilla honestly given that Ghidorah is from space which is 3 Kelvins. I'm convinced that he can resist Shimo's ice breath until it is canonically confirmed that Shimo was the one who froze him.

I agree with the rest. At the end of the movie Shimo became Kong's pet and it's hard picturing a pet of Kong being able to defeat freaking Ghidorah.

Scar can't hurt Rodan though, Rodan tanked gravity beams. And Scar doesn't even have the speed advantage which is the one thing that kept him alive for so long against Godzilla and Kong.

By that logic, Mothra can't hurt Rodan either. Rodan has no resistance to sharp weapons larger than Mothra's stinger (which went through him and took him out of the fight). Rodan got hit directly by missiles (he saw them coming), which move slower than base Godzilla's atomic breath and covered a smaller area, so Skar King is better at dodging. Rodan maybe has better top travel speed, but lacks skill. Mothra (wounded, wings burned) was able to hit Rodan with her legs (much are shorter than Skar's whipslash) and dodge Rodan's bites. He's all speed and aggression, with very little skill and durability (only heat resistance). Skar King lasted longer against Godzilla than Rodan would due to skill and agility combined. Rodan would just get hit early on and die.

@sirfizzwhizz: It seems pretty tenuous theory to claim GZ has already fought Shimo, if there was even a cave painting that would be something. Could be Shimo was already living in the deepest portion of hollow earth when Skar and the apes were exiled there.

@jurance: Skar can hurt Rodan by strangling him similar to Kong imo. Also just brute force breaking wings etc…..this is largely moot as I don’t see Skardoing well against the fire wave.

Shimo slams with her Absolute Zero Breath. Godzilla had to specifically evolve and acquire adaptive thermoregulation just to combat her breath.