Diana beats most for sure maybe all. But Sue Rhichards, Jane, Jean, Wanda, and Angela all have cases to win.
Saying that Amora The Enchantress Is the hardest fight for Diana. Amora One shot the Hulk, Beat Quasar Hiet Amped Hela, and Even Beat Nightmare in his own realm. Diana is well versed a5 fighting Magic users But Amora CAN beat her so there is the challenge maybe a toss up between the two
Diana beats most for sure maybe all. But Sue Rhichards, Jane, Jean, Wanda, and Angela all have cases to win.
Saying that Amora The Enchantress Is the hardest fight for Diana. Amora One shot the Hulk, Beat Quasar Hiet Amped Hela, and Even Beat Nightmare in his own realm. Diana is well versed a5 fighting Magic users But Amora CAN beat her so there is the challenge maybe a toss up between the two
@mage101: I'm still iffy about Carol, people nowadays thinks Carol and She-Hulk is powerful enough to finally stomp Maxima, Supergirl or Power Girl. I've seen compelling arguments of Carol beating WW in numerous threads.
@mage101: I'm still iffy about Carol, people nowadays thinks Carol and She-Hulk is powerful enough to finally stomp Maxima, Supergirl or Power Girl. I've seen compelling arguments of Carol beating WW in numerous threads.
Umm, can you please direct me to one of those threads. Carol can beat she hulk but stomping Maxima, Supergirl and power girl is not true at all. Maxima would beat her and it'll be a toss up between she, Supergirl and powergirl. People will always argue for every character but you shouldn't base your comments on what people think but what you know.
These are two threads of people comparing Carol to Thor levels, also some people think She-Hulk would do a better job against Black Adam than Supergirl.
For the others just type in Captain Marvel vs Power Girl or Maxima. I also see this on reddit as well.
@mage101: I'm still iffy about Carol, people nowadays thinks Carol and She-Hulk is powerful enough to finally stomp Maxima, Supergirl or Power Girl. I've seen compelling arguments of Carol beating WW in numerous threads.
Umm, can you please direct me to one of those threads. Carol can beat she hulk but stomping Maxima, Supergirl and power girl is not true at all. Maxima would beat her and it'll be a toss up between she, Supergirl and powergirl. People will always argue for every character but you shouldn't base your comments on what people think but what you know.
Personally I'm not sure if Carol can beat WW or Power Girl, but more and more people are starting to favor Carol ever since she beat Thor recently (which I don't see Power Girl or Supergirl doing tbh)
These are two threads of people comparing Carol to Thor levels, also some people think She-Hulk would do a better job against Black Adam than Supergirl.
For the others just type in Captain Marvel vs Power Girl or Maxima. I also see this on reddit as well.
Carol is a high tier and I know that fighting Thor is a big deal but those fights have context and Supergirl, Maxima, powergirl and Diana have been fighting high tiers for years before carol. Black Adam would stomp she hulk, she's too slow and not strong enough.
@mage101: I'm still iffy about Carol, people nowadays thinks Carol and She-Hulk is powerful enough to finally stomp Maxima, Supergirl or Power Girl. I've seen compelling arguments of Carol beating WW in numerous threads.
Umm, can you please direct me to one of those threads. Carol can beat she hulk but stomping Maxima, Supergirl and power girl is not true at all. Maxima would beat her and it'll be a toss up between she, Supergirl and powergirl. People will always argue for every character but you shouldn't base your comments on what people think but what you know.
Personally I'm not sure if Carol can beat WW or Power Girl, but more and more people are starting to favor Carol ever since she beat Thor recently (which I don't see Power Girl or Supergirl doing tbh)
Carol beat Thor because she had help from singularity who took Thor's hammer away from him and he also amped her up with energy and was holding back. Super girl and power girl could've accomplished that. And Carol had prep before she fought Thor.
@mage101: In that case people were making it seem like She beat him in her base form without any amps or help. I always had my suspision that there was context to it. I need to read that issue again.
Jane Thor beats Diana easily. She is much stronger physically, resilient and has greater energy projection. There's not much Diana can do. The rest have already been said in the comments above.
I actually think she'd stop at Rogue. Like, Rogue only need to touch her to take her powers and if she does for long enough (like she did to Carol) that's a win. But 5, 7 and 8 are the ones Diana definitely loses. Others are pretty even or victories for her.
I actually think she'd stop at Rogue. Like, Rogue only need to touch her to take her powers and if she does for long enough (like she did to Carol) that's a win. But 5, 7 and 8 are the ones Diana definitely loses. Others are pretty even or victories for her.
You didn't mention Monica Rambeau/Spectrum/Photon who's massively faster (both travel-wise and combat-wise) than every woman here including Wondy herself.
I actually think she'd stop at Rogue. Like, Rogue only need to touch her to take her powers and if she does for long enough (like she did to Carol) that's a win. But 5, 7 and 8 are the ones Diana definitely loses. Others are pretty even or victories for her.
You didn't mention Monica Rambeau/Spectrum/Photon who's massively faster (both travel-wise and combat-wise) than every woman here including Wondy herself.
Monica is only FTL once she's in her energy form and seeing as this is a bloodlusted Wonder Woman she'll get blitzed before that can happen
For example here she's significantly faster than Quicksilver in her light form but he can easily blitz her in her human form before she could transform into her light form
I actually think she'd stop at Rogue. Like, Rogue only need to touch her to take her powers and if she does for long enough (like she did to Carol) that's a win. But 5, 7 and 8 are the ones Diana definitely loses. Others are pretty even or victories for her.
You didn't mention Monica Rambeau/Spectrum/Photon who's massively faster (both travel-wise and combat-wise) than every woman here including Wondy herself.
Monica is only FTL speed once she shifts into her energy form and seeing as this is a bloodlusted Wonder Woman she'll get blitzed before that can happen
For example here she's significantly faster than Quicksilver in her light form but he can easily blitz her in her human form before she could transform into her light form
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 OMG! Bloodlusted Wondy can't do shit.
This is why you don't need to talk about a character when you know nothing about that character.
On multiple occasion, Monica has shown that she's massively FTL even while in human form. I have gotten few scans of Monica operating at MFTL while in human form.
Scan 1:
Here is a scan of Monica transforming from her human form to light form at the speed of thought. The speed of thought is massively faster than the speed of light.
Scan 2:
Here is another scan of Monica (while in human form) changing her clothes in a fraction of a second before her cousin could realize what just happened.
@geekryan: I'd Just Like To add Amora Has beaten Wanda 3 of 5 times amd Has gotten some great feats, Like One shooting Hulk, Beating Quasar, Beating Thor using Hax, She even. Beat Nightmare in his own realm. She's insanely underrated. Even hurt amped Hela Her pain wqs felt by eveyone in the 9 realms etc. Diana can beat her and Amora CAN beat her as well depends
I actually think she'd stop at Rogue. Like, Rogue only need to touch her to take her powers and if she does for long enough (like she did to Carol) that's a win. But 5, 7 and 8 are the ones Diana definitely loses. Others are pretty even or victories for her.
You didn't mention Monica Rambeau/Spectrum/Photon who's massively faster (both travel-wise and combat-wise) than every woman here including Wondy herself.
Monica is only FTL speed once she shifts into her energy form and seeing as this is a bloodlusted Wonder Woman she'll get blitzed before that can happen
For example here she's significantly faster than Quicksilver in her light form but he can easily blitz her in her human form before she could transform into her light form
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 OMG! Bloodlusted Wondy can't do shit.
This is why you don't need to talk about a character when you know nothing about that character.
On multiple occasion, Monica has shown that she's massively FTL even while in human form. I have gotten few scans of Monica operating at MFTL while in human form.
Scan 1:
Here is a scan of Monica transforming from her human form to light form at the speed of thought. The speed of thought is massively faster than the speed of light.
Scan 2:
Here is another scan of Monica (while in human form) changing her clothes in a fraction of a second before her cousin could realize what just happened.
I literally helped create Monica's respect thread (by going through all her comic appearances) and can tell you that she doesn't have MFTL speed consistently, A slew of characters have reacted to her, talked to her, tagged her, ect that are all nowhere near light speed including recently
Do you consider everyone with speed of thought reactions MFTL? Including the humans?
Where does it say she's changing in a fraction of a second?
I literally helped create Monica's respect thread (by going through all her comic appearances) and can tell you that she doesn't have MFTL speed consistently, A slew of characters have reacted to her, talked to her, tagged her, ect that are all nowhere near light speed including recently
Do you consider everyone with speed of thought reactions MFTL? Including the humans?
Yeah, I'm fully aware of Monica being tagged by humans sometimes and that happens mostly because Monica wasn't that battle-hardened or bloodlusted in that battle. But here in this thread, we are talking "bloodlusted" where both fighters are willing to kill the other. But hey, it is a comic thing. Even Wonder Woman got her own inconsistency as well. For instance: being struck by bullets or being tackled by wolves.
Where does it say she's changing in a fraction of a second?
And you just asked where was it stated she was changing at the fraction of a second. The "fraction of a second" was mostly used to indicate Monica's MFTL speed through out the entire comic serie as you can see here.
Here again while in human form, she transported the Beyonder and the entire Avengers team miles away to Jericho's house in fractions of a second before they could realize it. That's a superbbattle removal speed feat Wonder Woman can't even replicate. The aftermath of Monica's intense speed also upsets Black Knight's stomach.
@scarlet_wiccan: I personally am not on the train of Monica always being consistently MFTL+ in every form and I still need to do Research on “speed of thought” in comics. But I am pretty certain it makes no difference whether it’s a normal human or a superhero, due to the simple fact that the body responds at a much slower rate.
It’s why characters like Invisible Woman and Jean can out-react bombs, speedsters, and even block energy beams consistently (even if we don’t say the energy beams are light speed, we can still say they are faster than most humans can react).
(This of course barring characters who specifically have the power to speed up their thoughts and processing speeds.)
Yeah, I'm fully aware of Monica being tagged by humans sometimes and that happens mostly because Monica wasn't that battle-hardened or bloodlusted in that battle. But here in this thread, we are talking "bloodlusted" where both fighters are willing to kill the other. But hey, it is a comic thing. Even Wonder Woman got her own inconsistency as well. For instance: being struck by bullets or being tackled by wolves.
Even recently Monica wasn't operating at anywhere near light speed in combat and that's why consistency is important to know what anti-feats are
And you just asked where was it stated she was changing at the fraction of a second. The "fraction of a second" was mostly used to indicate Monica's MFTL speed through out the entire comic serie as you can see here.
I'm specifically talking about her combat speed
Here again while in human form, she transported the Beyonder and the entire Avengers team miles away to Jericho's house in fractions of a second before they could realize it. That's a superbbattle removal speed feat Wonder Woman can't even replicate. The aftermath of Monica's intense speed also upsets Black Knight's stomach
In her solo it seems that she doesn't use her light form anymore so you may be right but she doesn't seem very fast in combat situations like at all so I'm not sure why it's not translating
@scarlet_wiccan: I personally am not on the train of Monica always being consistently MFTL+ in every form and I still need to do Research on “speed of thought” in comics. But I am pretty certain it makes no difference whether it’s a normal human or a superhero, due to the simple fact that the body responds at a much slower rate.
It’s why characters like Invisible Woman and Jean can out-react bombs, speedsters, and even block energy beams consistently (even if we don’t say the energy beams are light speed, we can still say they are faster than most humans can react).
(This of course barring characters who specifically have the power to speed up their thoughts and processing speeds.)
Yeah, I agree certain characters definitely have reflexes above average human standards but I just find the speed of thought = MFTL argument a bit outlandish
Yeah, I'm fully aware of Monica being tagged by humans sometimes and that happens mostly because Monica wasn't that battle-hardened or bloodlusted in that battle. But here in this thread, we are talking "bloodlusted" where both fighters are willing to kill the other. But hey, it is a comic thing. Even Wonder Woman got her own inconsistency as well. For instance: being struck by bullets or being tackled by wolves.
Even recently Monica wasn't operating at anywhere near light speed in combat and that's why consistency is important to know what anti-feats are
And you just asked where was it stated she was changing at the fraction of a second. The "fraction of a second" was mostly used to indicate Monica's MFTL speed through out the entire comic serie as you can see here.
I'm specifically talking about her combat speed
Here again while in human form, she transported the Beyonder and the entire Avengers team miles away to Jericho's house in fractions of a second before they could realize it. That's a superbbattle removal speed feat Wonder Woman can't even replicate. The aftermath of Monica's intense speed also upsets Black Knight's stomach
In her solo it seems that she doesn't use her light form anymore so you may be right but she doesn't seem very fast in combat situations like at all so I'm not sure why it's not translating
You've read the solo series and still didn't see Monica's MFTL combat speed.
I WILL SHOW YOU.
In the first issue, Monica Rambeau and Spider-Man were fighting Dr. Yesenia Rosario aka The Hinge (a master scientist who fuses herself with Ms. Marvel's stretchy powers and Spider-Man's Spider sense).
In the first scan, Monica was charging up against the Hinge from behind at her average lightspeed and was surprised to see that Hinge was able to easily evade her attack using her Spider-Sense. Even Spider-Man stated that it was difficult to lay a punch on Hinge because she can easily sense their incoming attacks.
Later on, Monica Rambeau proved to Spider-Man that she's been holding back all along and went full MFTL againt Hinge to the point Hinge's Spider-Sense can't track her.
We all know the insane combat feats of Spider-Sense. It's Spider-Man's main asset during combat. Spider-Man can easily react to bullets, laser, explosions, energy blast, speedsters like Quicksilver and yet Monica Rambeau went massively faster beyond its limit.
Edited: I made a wrong order of the scans. The last scan was supposed to be the first scan. My bad.
@scarlet_wiccan: I personally am not on the train of Monica always being consistently MFTL+ in every form and I still need to do Research on “speed of thought” in comics. But I am pretty certain it makes no difference whether it’s a normal human or a superhero, due to the simple fact that the body responds at a much slower rate.
It’s why characters like Invisible Woman and Jean can out-react bombs, speedsters, and even block energy beams consistently (even if we don’t say the energy beams are light speed, we can still say they are faster than most humans can react).
(This of course barring characters who specifically have the power to speed up their thoughts and processing speeds.)
Yeah, I agree certain characters definitely have reflexes above average human standards but I just find the speed of thought = MFTL argument a bit outlandish
Technically, reflexes are slower in Theory because of how much slower bodily response is.
In the first scan, Monica was charging up against the Hinge from behind at her average lightspeed and was surprised to see that Hinge was able to easily evade her attack using her Spider-Sense. Even Spider-Man stated that it was difficult to lay a punch on Hinge because she can easily sense their incoming attacks.
I don't think she was moving at light speed, She recently had the same issue in Thunderbolts multiple times where her speed wasn't an advantage in fights against characters way slower than light
Later on, Monica Rambeau proved to Spider-Man that she's been holding back all along and went full MFTL againt Hinge to the point Hinge's Spider-Sense can't track her.
Again, It's not specified what speed she's going at and Hinge even tagged Monica with a punch and usually you can't hold back your reactions
We all know the insane combat feats of Spider-Sense. It's Spider-Man's main asset during combat. Spider-Man can easily react to bullets, laser, explosions, energy blast, speedsters like Quicksilver and yet Monica Rambeau went massively faster beyond its limit
Still in a lot of her fights she's not blitzing people or doesn't seem to have any speed advantage against established characters, for example Moonstone had no issue intercepting her blast in her solo
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