@cergic said:
Morty unfortunately sucks, plain and simple. Failed to sort shit out at his home planet, failed to work well with his legion at first (and later on as well tbh), failed to score any meaningful victories, failed to work alongside just about anyone, failed to resist chaos and the warp when he was the one hating it the most.
I want like morty because he's not a goody-two-shoe nerd (i don't think Guilliman is either tbh) and he's different from the cookie-cutting lame ones like Horus, Lion, Fulgrim and Dorn that's too one-dimensional or non-logical. But he's just .. sucking too much.
Not necessary, Morty played his part just fine during the early events of the Civil war, aka he followed horus' orders and unlike Angron, ddin't turn a swift victory into a big long drawn out fight ( again... angron )
Secondly his home world isn't to blame that's like saying Curze failed when he didn't. When they both left their home worlds were fine, but at the end of the day people are gonna be people and depending on the environment its gonna create whomever. Example we see in the pale king that Morty references this in saying that when he grew up on his home world, it was kill or be killed and Typhus makes it quite clear that again ( in other novels as well ) without mortarion they never stood a chance, they were just cattle being slaughtered at will, but because of Mortarion they were winning. I think you need to read more into his stories again, because in the Pale King for example, Mortarion ( oh the horror! ) uses a blitz to wipe out a faction ( The Order ) without skipping a beat ( despite the Death Guard doctrine of moving slowly but surely ) he understands tactics fairly well even in his older novels, the only downside ( which is part of his character ) is that hes too arrogant for his own good at times ( Khan, His adoptive Father, etc )
This doesn't mean he doesn't do his job though because unlike most primarchs he 1 has a decent track record of winning ( only "losing" to Khan with a double K.O first time around, stalemating second time around, defeating Girlyman and actually killing him with Godblight )
As for his Legion, his legion worked perfectly fine especially towards the end of the GC, but when u got bitch ass Garro ruining everything, then there's a problem. In fact Typhus had ordered Garro to be killed but Mortarion sided against it in hopes Garro would join him, but Garro being a Terran scumbag.... well that didn't happen. Most of his legion actually served him quite well despite high losses, just not as close as the EC, Ultramarines, Word Bearers, and A Thousand Sons. I mean ffs Khan had a close knit group for his legion, yet it was basically civil war for them and they weren't even affected by chaos like DG was. Luna Wolves was no better either. Dark Angels suffered greatly despite their knightly vows as well, so any mark against DG on that can be applied to several if not almost all legions besides Word Bearers and Ultramarines
When it comes to victories, yes nothing in the HH really showcased them off, the only known major battle they were actually apart of was the Starport they were suppose to take but didnt because u know why. Otherwise they had no major role other than joint operations with other legions meaning they did in fact work alright with them. Magnus the Red and the Thousand Sons were the only ones they were really paired with IIRC and Magnus was triggered when things ddint go his way so he left Mortarion before the fighting really took off
Lastly, for failing to resist the warp, he was gonna be stuck there regardless until he accepted the offer, can't really hold that against him and he saw his legion slowly dying because of it. They also were needed for the Siege of Terra as well, so time was against them as well
I mean there's quite a bit of context for most of this stuff, but Mortarion for what he had did fine imo. Unlike Girlyman who is a goody-two-shoe nerd because the GEoM saved him twice, and Angron gave a great break down as to why is as well. Basically he grew up on a planet that loved him and called him a God, while Mortarion and Angron were viewed as slaves or tools and had to rebel. I will agree with the 4 u listed as one-dimensional though
I mean, using that measuring stick, everyone bar Angron and partially Lorgar did their job then. But we all know Perty hardcarried.
What i meant regarding his world is, he didn't manage to conquer it. Sure, it wasn't easy for him, but still. It's an L. Especially the way Emps set him up and he went the way he did, anyway. Tantrums. Of course there are many sides to it. When you suggest i read up more on him in order to see things from the other perspective ... that's just as applicable to anyone lol, including your views on G-man correct?
I personally don't think it would make sense for him to lose vs Girlyman in that scenario, so him being amped to hell and back by papa nurgle against a G-man that's having a good weapon but no warp fuckery up front is pretty much cementing a win. I don't think it's a bad thing that it went the way it did though since it's not about Guilliman vs Morty there, but rather Emps vs Chaos. They're just proxies.
Sure you can blame stuff on Garro, but every primarch got their struggles and obstacles. Excuses or reasons, it's synonymous and it is what it is. Can't exactly give Morty a pass on everything if you hold other characters responsible and worthy of judgement for just about everything, like hating on Guilliman yet how is it G-mans fault he gets ressurected?
I don't hold it against Morty in a practical sense, but it's the constant irony and hypocrisy he ends up representing i think makes him sucky.
Everything got context. It's much more fun to stick to a trench ;)
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