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Quentin Quire Respect Thread [Work in Progress]

Respect Kid Omega (Earth 616)

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Bio coming soon.

Current sources (more to be added).

New X-men (2001) #134-137

X-Men: Phoenix - Endsong (2005) #1-5

Nation X #2

X-Men: Schism #1, 2, 4, 5

Quire is introduced as an Omega level telepath in one of his first appearances's opening introduction pages [New X-men #135]. He is referred to as an Omega across his history, explicitly called an Omega level mutant in [Infinity: The Hunt #1]. It also mentions that his TP and TK powers are nearly limitless, though I take that a hyperbole.

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[X-Men: Phoenix - Endsong #4] A Shi'ar alien mentions that if Quire hosted the Phoenix Force he could destroy the galaxy. This guy was able to forcibly reform the Phoenix and nearly kill it with his technology, and had scanned Quire's energy from space, so he probably knew what he was talking about it.

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In cases where it was not shown if Quire was high on Kick, I assumed that he was, since in all of them he's behaving like he is.

Telepathy

[New X-men #134] The original five Stepford Cuckoos mention that he has a see-through mind, implying he has a unique technique to hide his thoughts. This might have something to do with his being on Kick, though he wasn't using it that heavily at the time, though Beast mentions his brain chemistry had altered. Emma mentions Quire is their chief rival and Xavier's prize pupil. [On Kick - Not High]

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[New X-men #134] Quire undoes the illusion image of another mutant telepath. [On Kick - Not High]

[New X-men #135] While on Kick, he plants an idea in a human's head to lure him in and "writes his name across the man's memory". [On Kick - High]

[New X-men #135 & #137] Xavier mentions that his mental powers are deep and subtle, allowing him to garner a cult following in his gang, the Omegas. [On Kick - Not High]

[New X-men #135] Quire possibly stops Xavier from detecting him and his gang waiting for him in his office. [On Kick - High]

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[New X-men #136] Quentin traps Wolverine in what appears to be a mindspace built from his memories. [On Kick - High]

[New X-men #136] Quire seems to believe that he could read Xavier's min "from every angle", though it is not clear if this is true or just Quire losing his sanity due to Kick and the onset of his secondary mutation. [On Kick - High]

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[New X-men #136] The Stepford Cuckoos, the original five-in-one, used Cerebra (which multiplied their powers tenfold) and one of them took a hit of Kick (multiplying her powers up to five times) to amp themselves enough to defeat Quire, though he was taken by surprise and already overdosing on Kick/undergoing his secondary mutation. Sophie mentions that the increase was about as much as was needed, showing how powerful they believed Quire to be. [On Kick - High]

[X-Men: Phoenix - Endsong #2 & #3] When Quentin reforms after his "death", he is registered as an Omega mutant. He then reads Beast's mind and freezes everyone in the X-mansion with a thought, including Emma Frost using Cerebra, who actually mistook him for Dark Phoenix. The Cuckoos are seem hiding from him, though they are unable to hide their thoughts from him. His command to freeze persists until he is far away, even continuing after he flies to Sophie's grave and breakdowns when he finds her corpse.

[X-Men: Phoenix - Endsong #2] Quentin's Omega level energy is detected by a Shi'ar spaceship.

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[X-Men: Phoenix - Endsong #4] Quentin senses the X-Men fighting the Phoenix, so he mentally shuts down Emma Frost and forces Scott to open his eyes, to feed the Phoenix power.

[Nation X #2] Quire claims that he can influence a few people a lot and a lot of people a little, and claims that he's manipulated the minds of the people of Utopia to create a series of small events that will lead to it's destruction in exactly eight minutes.

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[Nation X #2] When Martha tries to possess a body to warn the X-Men of Quire's plan she finds that he is inside of all the minds of Utopia that she can detect, except for Iceman. But when she possesses Bobby, Quire possesses Nezhno and claims that there is nothing she can do that he can't.

[Nation X #2] Quire kicks Martha out of a mutant's head in "a billionth of a second" and possesses him himself. He also claims that he is stronger than Martha.

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[Nation X #2] Quire enters Cerebra in his energy form and uses it to traps the three Stepford Cuckoos in a psychic loop, taking them by surprise. But when they are warned by Martha they defeat Quire in under eight seconds, saving the day, though he underestimated them. Personally I don't think this Quire is representative of his normal self, since this is him at his most insane and he can exist as an energy being, which implies that he hadn't properly reformed from his death.

[X-Men: Schism #1] Quire makes a security guard fight his friend.

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[X-Men: Schism #1] Quire makes a gathering of the world's leaders uncontrollably sprout their deepest, darkest secrets.

[Wolverine and the X-Men: Alpha and Omega #1] Quire takes classes in Psychwar, although he believes that he can learn nothing due to being so far above him.

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[Wolverine and the X-Men: Alpha and Omega #1] Quire constructs a "video game" construct in his head and pulls Wolverine and Armor's consciousnesses into, rewriting their memories to fit into the setting of the video game, albeit imperfectly. He also possibly stops anyone in the school seeing their unconscious bodies as he hides them.

Quire later walks past Rachel Grey and doesn't notice, possibly indicating the passive defences he has on his mind.

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[Wolverine and the X-Men: Alpha and Omega #1] Quire uses his super-intelligence to co-ordinate every element in the game construct and manipulate what happens in the game. Also shows how Logan and Armor have their memories rewritten, although they still have some recollection.

[Wolverine and the X-Men: Alpha and Omega #2] Quire explains that the construct is one hundred times more powerful than the best C.G.I and explains that he is better than God in there.

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[Wolverine and the X-Men: Alpha and Omega #2] Although Wolverine's conscious mind is in Quire's construct his body is still conscious of the violation and despite being the most primal and feral part of Logan's consciousness still tries to hunt Quire down. Quire senses him coming despite being sleep deprived.

For reference, when Rachel sensed this berserker Wolverine, she was put on her ass. Albeit she wasn't expecting this.

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[Wolverine and the X-Men: Alpha and Omega #3] Quire reacts to Wolverine's attack and hides his and Broo's presence from this berserk Wolverine, which is evidently the most telepathically resistant part of Logan's consciousness.

[Wolverine and the X-Men: Alpha and Omega #3] Quire realizes that his subconscious has compromised the construct and enters his construct as a general even though he found it much more difficult to manipulate.

[Wolverine and the X-Men: Alpha and Omega #5] When Rachel realizes that Armor's being in a coma and Wolverine running around feral she tries to enter his mind but is rebuked by his subconscious defenses. His conscious mind was still in the construct at the time.

[Wolverine and the X-Men: Alpha and Omega #5] When Quire loses control of his subconscious he claims that Armor and Logan will die if they die in the construct and Logan admits Quire beat him without him realizing there was even a fight.

Telekinesis

[X-Men: Phoenix - Endsong #2] Quire flies out of the X-Mansion, knocking a large section out of the wall.

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[X-Men: Phoenix - Endsong #3] Quire uses TK to fly incredibly fast, while carrying Sophie's corpse.

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[X-Men: Phoenix - Endsong #4] Quire flies fast enough to break apart Sophie's corpse. He also puts her arm back on.

[X-Men: Phoenix - Endsong #4] After being punched by a teleporting Nightcrawler, Quire telekinetically slaps him away. He then tanks a lightning bolt from Storm (though she made a point earlier of not killing him) and seems to fight her, though he is distracted.

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[X-Men: Phoenix - Endsong #5] Quire, who had just been hit by Wolverine and Angel, using his telekinetic tentacles to damage The Egg, built by Beast to contain the Dark Phoenix, though it is questionable if it would've worked. It is not clear if the Egg broke because of Quire releasing the Phoenix's energies or if it is because the Phoenix, replenished by Scott's optic blasts, simply burst through on it's own.

[X-men: Phoenix - Endsong #5] Quire creates a large sphere of energy around Phoenix possessed Emma, Sophie's corpse and himself. When Phoenix resurrects Sophie and she rejects him, Quire breaks down and releases a large burst of energy over the landscape, though the X-men below were not injured, though they appear to have been knocked down.

Intelligence

[New X-men #134] Quire designs some anti-gravity lifts for Martha. Xavier mentions that he tests highly for superintelligence. [On Kick - Not High] (Though the tests were probably taken before his drug use, upon his entrance into Xavier's school)

[New X-Men #134] Emma says that Quire thinks "ten million brilliant thoughts per second", though this is probably hyperbole/sarcasm. This, Emma is a telepath, so she would be able to make literal statements about things like this and it might just be alluding to his thought speed/intelligence. [On Kick - Not High]

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[New X-men #135] Quire makes a helmet that is the reverse of Magneto's helmet, Xavier can't think out of it, though it later fails. [On Kick - High]

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[X-Men: Phoenix - Endsong #1] The Cuckoos called Quire the smartest boy in school.

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[Nation X #2] Quire is able to arrange a series of actions that will inconspicuously cause the destruction of Utopia and everyone on it, in exactly seven minutes. We see that he arranged this in a short amount of time, because the Stepford Cuckoos were trapped in a loop when he escaped and they are still trapped until right before he is stopped. He also mentions being able to think ten millions thoughts in a second, though this is probably hyperbolic.

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[Nation X #2] Quire thinks up a plan to incapacitate the Cuckoos by possessing Cerebra.

Other

[New X-men #135] Quire kicks a charging man off his feet and mentions that he has received two hours martial arts training ever day at Xavier's school.

[X-Men: Phoenix - Endsong #4] Takes a surprise punch from Nightcrawler and a lightning bolt from Storm (though she wasn't trying to kill him).

[X-Men: Phoenix - Endsong #5] Quire gets stabbed by Wolverine and heals it with a thought, and gets hit in the back of the head by Angel, though he keeps fighting to free the Phoenix.

[Nation X #2] When Quire gets bored hanging out on higher plane of existence he was able to exist in an energy form. This was only for this particular issue.

[Wolverine and the X-Men: Alpha & Omega #1] Quire is strong enough to drag Wolverine, with difficulty.

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Some reasonably well informed, at least well meaning, thoughts on the Harry Potter verse. Er, feats and stuff.

Interesting topic. Overall I would not say Harry Potter is impressive as a combat verse, when put alongside verses like Star Wars, Naruto, Marvel, etc. It's not written the same way and the characters generally obey real-life laws of physics as regards physicals so you don't see the same type of speedblitzes or anything like that, they have superhuman longevity and that's it. Overall they're street level.

First of all there's the issue of movie cannon vs book cannon. IIRC a big difference is that non-projectile spells are shown in the movies whereas projectile spells are the only ones shown in the books (although there are times when spells are done without mention to a projectile, but that's not the same as when they're absent on-screen), although you could probably argue the spells are just invisible rather than instantaneous considering everyone should be spamming them if they were. Another issue is their teleportation, since in the books they always have to spin on their heel, whereas in the movie they can do so without, making it slightly faster.

Harry looked behind him, his heart pounding. Dumbledore was standing in front of the golden gates.

Voldemort raised his wand and another jet of green light streaked at Dumbledore, who turned and was gone in a whirling of his cloak. Next second, he had reappeared behind Voldemort and waved his wand towards the remnants of the fountain.

- The Only One He Ever Feared, OotP

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In the first gif Riddle teleports so fast Harry almost misses it. Movie versions also generally have a higher level of power compared to their book counterparts, let's take a look.

But though gashes appeared in their sodden rags and their icy skin, they had no blood to spill: they walked on, unfeeling, their shrunken hands outstretched toward him, and as he backed away still farther, he felt arms enclose him from behind, thin, fleshless arms cold as death, and his feet left the ground as they lifted him and began to carry him, slowly and surely, back to the water, and he knew there would be no release, that he would be drowned, and become one more dead guardian of a fragment of Voldemort's shattered soul...

But then, through the darkness, fire erupted: crimson and gold, a ring of fire that surrounded the rock so that the Inferi holding Harry so tightly stumbled and faltered; they did not dare pass through the flames to get to the water. They dropped Harry; he hit the ground, slipped on the rock, and fell, grazing his arms, then scrambled back up, raising his wand and staring around.

Dumbledore was on his feet again, pale as any of the surrounding Inferi, but taller than any too, the fire dancing in his eyes; his wand was raised like a torch and from its tip emanated the flames, like a vast lasso, encircling them all with warmth.

The Inferi bumped into each other, attempting, blindly, to escape the fire in which they were enclosed...

Dumbledore scooped the locket from the bottom of the stone basin and stowed it inside his robes. Wordlessly, he gestured to Harry to come to his side. Distracted by the flames, the Inferi seemed unaware that their quarry was leaving as Dumbledore led Harry back to the boat, the ring of fire moving with them, around them, the bewildered Inferi accompanying them to the waters edge, where they slipped gratefully back into their dark waters.

Harry, who was shaking all over, thought for a moment that Dumbledore might not be able to climb into the boat; he staggered a little as he attempted it; all his efforts seemed to be going into maintaining the ring of protective flame around them. Harry seized him and helped him back to his seat. Once they were both safely jammed inside again, the boat began to move back across the black water, away from the rock, still encircled by that ring of fire, and it seemed that the Inferi swarming below them did not dare resurface.

"Sir," panted Harry, "sir, I forgot--about fire--they were coming at me and I panicked --"

"Quite understandable," murmured Dumbledore. Harry was alarmed to hear how faint his voice was.

They reached the bank with a little bump and Harry leapt out, then turned quickly to help Dumbledore. The moment that Dumbledore reached the bank he let his wand hand fall; the ring of fire vanished, but the Inferi did not emerge again from the water. The little boat sank into the water once more; clanking and tinkling, its chain slithered back into the lake too. Dumbledore gave a great sigh and leaned against the cavern wall.

"I am weak..." he said.

As you can see Dumbledore gives a much more fearsome display of power in the movies.

Also compare the fight against the against Voldemort in the movies and books.

'I have nothing more to say to you, Potter,' he said quietly. 'You have irked me too often, for too long. AVADA KEDAVRA!'

Harry had not even opened his mouth to resist; his mind was blank, his wand pointing uselessly at the floor.

But the headless golden statue of the wizard in the fountain had sprung alive, leaping from its plinth to land with a crash on the floor between Harry and Voldemort. The spell merely glanced off its chest as the statue flung out its arms to protect Harry.

'What--?' cried Voldemort, staring around. And then he breathed, 'Dumbledore!'

Harry looked behind him, his heart pounding. Dumbledore was standing in front of the golden gates.

Voldemort raised his wand and another jet of green light streaked at Dumbledore, who turned and was gone in a whirling of his cloak. Next second, he had reappeared behind Voldemort and waved his wand towards the remnants of the fountain. The other statues sprang to life. The statue of the witch ran at Bellatrix, who screamed and sent spells streaming uselessly off its chest, before it dived at her, pinning her to the floor. Meanwhile, the goblin and the house-elf scuttled towards the fireplaces set along the wall and the one-armed centaur galloped at Voldemort, who vanished and reappeared beside the pool. The headless statue thrust Harry backwards, away from the fight, as Dumbledore advanced on Voldemort and the golden centaur cantered around them both.

'It was foolish to come here tonight, Tom,' said Dumbledore calmly. 'The Aurors are on their way--'

'By which time I shall be gone, and you will be dead!' spat Voldemort. He sent another killing curse at Dumbledore but missed, instead hitting the security guard's desk, which burst into flame.

Dumbledore flicked his own wand: the force of the spell that emanated from it was such that Harry, though shielded by his golden guard, felt his hair stand on end as it passed and this time Voldemort was forced to conjure a shining silver shield out of thin air to deflect it. The spell, whatever it was, caused no visible damage to the shield, though a deep, gong-like note reverberated from it--an oddly chilling sound.

'You do not seek to kill me, Dumbledore?' called Voldemort, his scarlet eyes narrowed over the top of the shield. 'Above such brutality, are you?'

'We both know that there are other ways of destroying a man, Tom,' Dumbledore said calmly, continuing to walk towards Voldemort as though he had not a fear in the world, as though nothing had happened to interrupt his stroll up the hall. 'Merely taking your life would not satisfy me, I admit--'

'There is nothing worse than death, Dumbledore!' snarled Voldemort.

'You are quite wrong,' said Dumbledore, still closing in upon Voldemort and speaking as lightly as though they were discussing the matter over drinks. Harry felt scared to see him walking along, undefended, shieldless; he wanted to cry out a warning, but his headless guard kept shunting him backwards towards the wall, blocking his every attempt to get out from behind it. 'Indeed, your failure to understand that there are things much worse than death has always been your greatest weakness--'

Another jet of green light flew from behind the silver shield. This time it was the one-armed centaur, galloping in front of Dumbledore, that took the blast and shattered into a hundred pieces, but before the fragments had even hit the floor, Dumbledore had drawn back his wand and waved it as though brandishing a whip. A long thin flame flew from the tip; it wrapped itself around Voldemort, shield and all. For a moment, it seemed Dumbledore had won, but then the fiery rope became a serpent, which relinquished its hold on Voldemort at once and turned, hissing furiously, to face Dumbledore.

Voldemort vanished; the snake reared from the floor, ready to strike--

There was a burst of flame in midair above Dumbledore just as Voldemort reappeared, standing on the plinth in the middle of the pool where so recently the five statues had stood.

'Look out!' Harry yelled.

But even as he shouted, another jet of green light flew at Dumbledore from Voldemort's wand and the snake struck--

Fawkes swooped down in front of Dumbledore, opened his beak wide and swallowed the jet of green light whole: he burst into flame and fell to the floor, small, wrinkled and flightless. At the same moment, Dumbledore brandished his wand in one long, fluid movement--the snake, which had been an instant from sinking its fangs into him, flew high into the air and vanished in a wisp of dark smoke; and the water in the pool rose up and covered Voldemort like a cocoon of molten glass.

For a few seconds Voldemort was visible only as a dark, rippling, faceless figure, shimmering and indistinct upon the plinth, clearly struggling to throw off the suffocating mass--

Then he was gone and the water fell with a crash back into its pool, slopping wildly over the sides, drenching the polished floor.

'MASTER!' screamed Bellatrix.

Sure it was over, sure Voldemort had decided to flee, Harry made to run out from behind his statue guard, but Dumbledore bellowed: 'Stay where you are, Harry!'

For the first time, Dumbledore sounded frightened. Harry could not see why: the hall was quite empty but for themselves, the sobbing Bellatrix still trapped under the witch statue, and the baby phoenix Fawkes croaking feebly on the floor--'

Then Harry's scar burst open and he knew he was dead: it was pain beyond imagining, pain past endurance--

The fight in the movie is generally more impressive overall, with them resembling forces of nature moreso than duelist, with more impressive AOE, the only AOE Tom shows in the books is a shockwave spell a lot weaker than the one he uses here. Also of note between movie and books is that Voldemort has better feats in the movies, if it wasn't for Tom fleeing from Albus a feat by feat analysis would show him to be superior, whereas in the books Dumbledore is more impressive by feats and is also shown to be ahead by a larger degree in their dual. Take this for example, also a feat above Book Riddle.

But 'average' wizards generally show themselves to be more powerful in the movies also, let's compare.

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A fair deal better than the books, where Anton couldn't one-shot Hermione with a particularly. However, this is only the case with wizards IC, in the books Wormtail was able to bust a street when escaping from Sirius, who could protect himself presumably from such a blast. Wormtail may actually be above average, considering JKR said he was 'better than they knew', possibly implying being better than the 'hopeless' they thought he was.

I've already said how high level wizards have better AOE in the movies, but Fiendfyre is also used more easily and it's actually in character, although movie Fiendfyre is weaker considering it was blocked by Harry and never destroyed a Horcrux.

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Pretty great considering book Voldemort never used Fiendfyre, least of all wandlessly.

Wizards in the movie's also generally perform wandless magic more easily, with Voldemort casually one-shotting Harry. Wandless magic is only an absolute last resort in the books and JKR said you can't do any good spells without one, which is not the case in the movies as the above gif shows.

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Another thing is durability, which is afforded by flight. In the movies every decent wizard knows flight, and it amps their durability tremendously.

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Oh, heres some Death Eaters turning invisible and busting a bridge.

There is also the issue of reactions. I believe that the books incarnations show better reactions feats the like of...

  1. Voldemort blitzing Got and OotP Harry, who is an accomplished seeker.
  2. Dumbledore drawing and casting a spell, from a sitting position, in a split-second.
  3. Dumbledore blitzing Umbridge, Fudge, Percy and Dawlish, Dawlish at least was a decent Auror. He did this faster than Harry could react.
  4. Dumbledore teleport-timing Tom's spells.
  5. Voldemort keeping up with three highly skilled duelists at once.
  6. Bellatrix killing a fox faster than it can pounce, when taken by surprise.
  7. Bellatrix blocking spells fired at her back.
  8. Snape casually deflecting Harry's spells, with the use of Legilimency.
  9. Dumbledore, while posioned, was able to wait until Draco burst into a room and charm Harry is instant, if it hadn't been Draco he would've stunned whoever was coming in. Pretty great that he is so far above someone on the draw that he can cast charms without them realizing even when they have the disadvantage. It's even better that Harry hadn't even realized anything, even Draco's identity, until it was over.
  10. Bellatrix beating four Snatchers.

The movie versions have...

  1. Umbridge arrow-timing.
  2. Voldemort being so fast Harry can hardly keep up.
  3. Dumbledore matching Voldemort.
  4. Bellatrix beating the four Snatchers.
  5. We can quantify them timing spells based on the fact spells are much faster than brooms, which can do this...

A big weakness of the HPverse in my opinion is that they lack skill at fighting in general. Only Bella, and to a greater extent Dumbledore and Voldemort, show feats of skill at fighting. They can all beat several enemies at once but they're lacking compared to, say, Harry Dresden or Skulduggery Pleasant.

Common Misconceptions (IMO):

  1. Spells being slow. This is not the case, considering them being much faster than brooms, which even in the books are fast enough that great reflexes are needed to fly them well. The whole timing spells thing is greatly overplayed, often luck potions, aim-dodging, moving evasively and plain luck are the biggest factor. Only high tiers can dodge them with any degree of consistency.
  2. The Killing Curse is unblockable/unresistable. Nope, this is based off NLF statements, the KC has been stopped by desks and walls, it is not getting through the shields of most verses.
  3. HP wizards are terrible fighters. HP wizards fight in straight up wars, even as children and live in a world much more dangerous than ours, they're at least better than an average guy, and many characters do show surprising competence in bad situations, the DA in the Ministry running is often used against them when, if anything, it was the perfect thing to do at the time. Many of the characters are pretty well-trained.
  4. HP wizards know nothing of the Muggle world. This is the case with pureblood wizards but half-bloods, like Voldemort, know just as much as anyone.

Weaknesses of the verse:

  1. Their durability means they can be killed by skilled marksmen.
  2. They lack *great* reactions.
  3. AOE is pretty lacking.

Please forgive me if this is a little messy, it's a pasted post from this thread which the OP suggested I make into a proper respect thread, but I'll leave it as it is, an invitation for some Harry Potter feat discussion.

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