DrDebaucherous

Stops at Hill

Widow is a mediocre fighter.

Miller's Batman is multifaceted, evolves past his traumas, takes in kids, just generally does Batman shit.

Timm's Batman was a conscious deconstruction of the character at first, though I'll concede that JLU puts a nice bow on the character arc.

Ra's with prep time demolishes

either one could solo Damian

You're clearly arguing in bad faith due to your Widow fandom so I'll take your whole "this dude didn't do anything impressive" spiel as a jest. Same thing with your "she didn't struggle" nonsense. She obviously won those fights, but the point is that she's having an extremely difficult time getting it done, which is unavoidably true.

Ant-Man vs Widow stats can't be taken seriously when you consider he's not really trying to hurt a federal agent in Widow. Even when he goes Giant Size he only picks fights with people who can take the hits like War Machine.

Yelena was absolutely trying to kill Hawkeye during that first fight. Bloodlusted is the word. Second fight Hawkeye is barely fighting back but still manages to overpower her. Since you're being a goofball I'll just leave you with a svelt "Rumlow would win because he's a man with man muscle insertions and Yelena would lose because she's a woman with woman muscle insertions."

That fodder was trained soldiers and HYDRA spies embedded in SHIELD. Falcon fought actual trained killers while Natasha struggled with the mercenaries and thugs on board the Lemurian Star/Hammer Tech.

Black Widow takes like 15 seconds to take out this guard:

She absolutely is struggling against this mook:

And she is absolutely not "handling" Ant-Man here. He explicitly states that he's trying not to hurt her and still takes her down.

Yelena didn't hold her own so much as Clint held back. And Hawkeye did not have BP in a "chokehold", more like a bow hold when BP wasn't looking; something BP rewarded Clint with by kicking him across the map. As far as Killmonger/Okoye, apples and oranges.

Only because we hadn't seen him fighting yet. TWS implicates Falcon as some kind of special forces badass

All this demonstrates is how useless Black Widow is. You see her struggling with security guards and mooks at Hammer Headquarters and the Lemurian Star before her failure in Civil War

Think about that. Crossbones put some work in on a super-soldier. That's more than a lot of characters in the MCU can say.

@thedevil98: yeah baby

>Soldier Boy beats her up Chris Brown style

>Stormfront flies away in that Girls Get It Done way

>Stormfront electrocutes Soldier Boy from the skies