Frankenstein and Shazam are faster than AQ on land by a considerable margin just like WW,they can tag her,AQ on land can't.

@gokuwarrior: You don't have any proof or idea what you are talking about.

You are so confused that you forget it was you who called Frankenstein a street leveler.

You didn't even know how powerful he was until I brought up the JLD fight.

And since you seem to accept the obvious (that they tagged her) it burns you so much that AQ was able to fight and tag Frankenstein as he did WW, because it further proves how wrong and confused you are.

Frankenstein doesn't have near as many speed feats as Aquaman, but you are so hateful that you are willing to admit that AQ is slower than Frankenstein despite calling Frankenstein a street leveler some posts ago.

I have never seen a more spiteful poster in any comic boards ever.

A poster who would go on a respect thread and try to lowball a character just because he is more powerful than he thought.

i never called Frankenstein treet leveler,i was talking about the others you mentioned,AQ can n ot tag,shazam,superman or WW,he is not as fast as them,don't you understand that?.

@gokuwarrior: Frankenstein has NO FEAT TO PUT HIM ABOVE AQUAMAN SPEEDWISE.

Do you get it?

His only feat is manhandling Shazam and WW.

And Aquaman was able to tag both Frankenstein and WW.

Stop living in denial.

@gokuwarrior: Why still not stop?

wait a minute,Frankenstein?,what the hell?,ok too early in the morning i'm having problems to think straight now,frankenstein has no super speed,since when can he tag shazam and WW?,that is ridiculous he is an slow brick.

@gokuwarrior: He doesn't have any other feats, because he doesn't need them.

He usually fights slower opponents.

But in this fight he needed to move fast and he did.

So tell me is this PIS? Are you the writer of Frankenstein?

Frankenstein is not a slow brick.He is just a character you now nothing about.

of course it's PIS,you just said he fights slower opponents but he needed to be fast to fight shzam and WW,now you are trying to tell me that Frankenstein is an speeder?.

@gokuwarrior: LOL what?

Frankenstein doesn't run fast or anything but he can leap (similar to AQ) and fights powerful opponents all the time.

Just because he doesn't have a speed feat every other week doesn't mean he is slow.

What $hitty kind of logic is this?

He is at least class 100 and he can tag WW and Shazam.

Just because you now nothing about his powers doesn't mean he doesn't have them.

THE WRITER DECIDES WHAT HAPPENS IN A STORY, and in this case it doesn't contradict anything.

he is not an speeder,and lapping fast doesn't give him enough speed to tag speeders like shazam and WW.

@gokuwarrior: I have to ask.

How do you know how fast he is?

Simple question.

You obviously have no idea about the character, so who are you to say what powers he has and hasn't?

He doesn't use his speed much, but how do you know how fast he is?

Did you even read a single comic with him?

Again do you work for DC comics?

Do you make continuity?

he never shows super speed the way shazam and WW do,for him to tag them he had to be as fast as them and he is not.

@gokuwarrior: How do you know?

Answer you don't.

Because you are not the writer and not the editor.

Here's the thing, all of those instances got approved by an editor before they saw print.

DC approves of Aquaman tagging WW, approves of Shazam tossing her like a stone and sure as h3ll approves of Aquaman leaping miles per second.

So you opinion is just that.

You don't speak for DC.

You are just a troll on the internet who most of the time has no idea about the characters he is debating, except fro Wonder Woman.

After this debacle and the fact that 2 moderators agreed with me, I believe we can end this madness.

Peace.

it does not make sense for shazam,superman and WW to be tagged by slower people than them like AQ,that's the point.

and how could you say i downplay AQ?,i was the one defending him when powerwoman called him a joke some pages back.

Aquaman is faster than you want him to be.

The writers want Aquaman to be faster than people like you think he is.

DC wants Aquaman to be "one of the strongest people on the planet".

You posted WW's max CURRENT speed, I showed you AQ has similar speed.

2, that's 2 different mods said you are wrong.

So let it go.

You lost this one.

If you ever write WW have her lasso a sun or something.

For now in he 2 years of New 52, your beliefs about AQ's speed are totally wrong.

Let it go. She is still faster just nor untagable.

Why this still not stop?!

Why?WW isnt have enough feats,agree it,AQ get power up,and more better than ww in feats,agree it

/thread

@powerwoman: I'm done.

2 moderators proved gokuwarrior wrong.

That's all.

you just want her to be weak.

@gokuwarrior: No. We don't. Wonder Women (as stated) is one of the strongest person on DC Earth.

Aquaman just happens to be that strong too.

Don't know why you care. It doesn't change Wonder Women at all. It just mean's he in her league.

that is all.

@gokuwarrior: Not us, it's DC,it's AZZ,HE dont want to show us wonder woman some strength speed feats

Just all

she is weak now,are you happy?,she can't beat any top tier anymore,are you happy?,are you happy azz fans?,johns fans?,i hope karma is a bitch and she gets revenge for this humilation.

they should cancel her title and give her to another company that treats her right.

@gokuwarrior: Yeah whatever.

She still kicked Hal Jordan's @ss ans stabbed DS in the eye.

Just because Aquaman is faster than you think does not make WW a bad character.

i mean wtf?

she is weak now,and her new run is trash,so is johns tak on her.

@gokuwarrior: Anyway after i don't know 3-4 different threads, get better, don't lowball Aquaman and i hope you get the WW writer you feel will do the character right.

Cheers.

i would say that wonder woman is FTL if you were to ask me

I hate to get in the middle of this but what the hell. A few thoughts.

• Katana or Hawkman hitting Wonder Woman is crap. Unless there are circumstances.
• I don't believe the skull from Trinity War was amping people. It just changed them. More-so mentally than physically. Shazam got her when she wasn't paying attention which is pretty obvious on panel.
• Frankenstein should not be considered in Billy and WW's speed class. Unless someone has more feats.

I'm gonna stay away from Aquaman vs Wonder Woman for now. I will say that Flashpoint versions shouldn't be used because we have no idea what changes they underwent in their universe.

@pokeysteve: I hate it too,but there no scan can prove ww>AQ,sigh

We know she can fight and she's fast enough to blitz Supergirl. He has higher strength feats though I think. It's a bummer the writers haven't given us more from her but at the same time it's nice to see Aquaman getting showings.

@pokeysteve: Bad writer's,yes

The original Wonder Woman was supposed to have Superman level strength: "Stronger than Heracles (Hercules) and Swifter than Hermes (Mercury)" that stayed that way until late 1968 when she gave up her powers by the new editor of her magazine, Denny O'Neil. For the next four to five years Diana lived as a mortal without any super strength and relied on martial arts skills to get by. When Gloria Steinem protested in 1972 Diana regained her Amazonian heritage but new writers and editors that followed were totally inconsistent. This is why today most readers are so confused with her strength. The 1970s were up and down; while Super Friends had small moments of her power equal to Superman, other episodes showed a lack of strength, and especially no flying power even though she could glide comfortably in the comics. Her live action TV show at least had her strength unmatched but most of the time it was against ordinary people. The 1980s revamp seemed to downplay her strength most of the time, especially against characters like Cyborg or Tasmanian Devil who should not be in her power class. Even the new 52 movies like Justice League War downplayed her level of strength. Cyborg should not have easily knocked her down. The rule to writing Wonder Woman's strength SHOULD be easy enough: If it were Superman then this is what Wonder Woman CAN do. According to the new 52 she is the daughter of a god and an Amazon, where as Hercules, was the son of a god and a mortal woman. Therefore Wonder Woman is still STRONGER than Hercules!

@greenteaforme: that really amazing !! she can pull the sun?????!!!

That was just on the cover; she did not actually pull the sun in the issue itself.

When written properly, Diana should be just under Superman. But even though she knows that she's not as strong as Clark, she has fighting skills and weaponry that make up for that. Aside from the wacky Silver Age and possibly currently, Diana's always had comparable strength to Clark, the 40's and Post Crisis are good examples of this. The best I've seen of Diana in the New 52 was carrying a plane, Cassandra's ship, and breaking the doors of Clark's seemingly impenetrable fortress. Meanwhile Clark's been casually lifting bridges, benching the weight of the earth and helping move ships bigger then the earth.

Wonder Woman cannot smash planets which is fine. Being able to move a planet means nothing anyway.

@agent41: I know Wonder Woman's in Superman's strength league, but in both comics and many people know that Wonder Woman is weaker then Clark. Not by much. And what lacks thereof in strength she makes up for it in skill. New 52 wise though, it looks like Superman's planetary feats are better then Diana's. Alas, the New 52 is still new, so hopefully in due time we get Diana lifting moons or moving city sized objects again.

Pre Crisis: Whatever the plot needed

Post Crisis: Id guess around multi-continental

New-52: Id guess mountain tier

@agent41: Interesting.

All in all, Golden Age aside, it seems like aside from that Superman's always been just a little bit stronger then Diana. They're comparable in though. And the difference isn't that much.

Nah it's not in character for Wonder Woman to lift celestial objects just for the sake of showing off her strength, she doesn't need to lift anything to prove she's in that weight division. For me what needs to make an appearance soon is her fighting prowess which as of now is yet to come through.

@foamborn: Hmm. I guess you're right. She was trained after War.

I place Superman and Wonder Woman in the same class strength wise, but I won't argue against someone who places Superman above her. I'm comfortable with that understanding since I prefer to view Superman as the strongest super hero over all.

Yes! Exactly.

@rav4: 100% agree. I'm writing a DC story right now, and I think I am going to scale down the power levels considerably. Being able to lift 100 tons is insane, and Kryptonians are insane, so I think about 100 ton max for Superman would be good. Wonder Woman, I'd put at like 30 tons, so she's still strong enough to damage Superman, but he has a huge physical advantage, and she would need to use all of her skill to have a chance.

It is so depressing reading some of these responses. Wonder Woman is EASILY as strong as Superman and stronger than Supergirl. It is not even remotely a new idea as she is the very superhero designed expressly with supremacy and invincibility in mind (that is a documented, verifiable historical fact discussed by multiple historians in multiple references). Where she differs from Supes is invulnerability. She doesn't have an "impenetrable" shell though her body is durable enough to support her vast powers

PreFlashpoint silliness, the power and hierarchy among the divinities was very well defined thanks to the superlative editing of Karen Berger. Because of this we know the order of strength of Donna, Cassie, and Diana because we know the divinity from whic they derived their powers. Cassie got her powers through her being the DemiGoddess daughter of Zeus, the current supreme power among the Olympians. Next in power was Donna, who got her powers from the Titans, who were the supreme divinities that spawned the Olympians. The most powerful was Diana, whose power and strength were derived from the spiritual link to the ultimate supreme, Gaea.

After Flashpoint, Wondy got a MASSIVE downgrade if you know the text. But the layperson just hears Zeus and doesn't bother to look at the details