Burning easy. From what I seen in Spacebattles and people who read the novel, Evo Godzilla beam did burn Shimo and blast him around physically against Shimo's will. Fire GZ is just more powerful.
Spiral Ray Evo Gz is on the level of Burning Gz (This is before they see his spiral Ray Power)
Thermo is Slightly lower in stats, and will run out after 3 Pulses since he cannot control his energy properly, His only hope is assuming he'd cliff her by absorption
Burning easy. From what I seen in Spacebattles and people who read the novel, Evo Godzilla beam did burn Shimo and blast him around physically against Shimo's will. Fire GZ is just more powerful.
It blaster her back but she didn't appear to be damaged in the movie. Where did you see a post saying she got burns? Also i saw a post on SB saying energy readings on glowing pinkzilla was higher than ever before which should put his power above burning and even that did barely anything to Shimo.
Burning easy. From what I seen in Spacebattles and people who read the novel, Evo Godzilla beam did burn Shimo and blast him around physically against Shimo's will. Fire GZ is just more powerful.
It blaster her back but she didn't appear to be damaged in the movie. Where did you see a post saying she got burns? Also i saw a post on SB saying energy readings on glowing pinkzilla was higher than ever before which should put his power above burning and even that did barely anything to Shimo.
What was the stated power level of Fire Godzilla? Oh right there never was one made. All we know was Juice Godzilla had soooooo much power it was going to die from the overload. We know Evolve Godzilla had 30x energy mass and had to "evolve" to hold it all. I could claim Meltdown GZ had almost as much power but not the form to hold all the energy. We are not given numbers to KotM as Dragon Ball Z scouters were not invented in KotM only years later in GxK.
So its stronger than Meltdown GZ from KotM sure, we dont know how much though, but then Fire Godzilla >>>>>>>> Meltdown Godzilla by a very large margin anyway. Never once was it scanned or analyzed though.
I should also add that 2014 level Godzilla already beat Skar King and his cronies, yet now GZ felt he needed a power up. So is 30x a slight power up? It already beat Skar King and cronie army way weaker. So now I have to question how much more powerful 30X really is. Wasnt that powerful since you know... Kong smack and pummel GZ around. Same Kong who had issues pummeling Scar King in both battles. Same Scar King and Monkey army that 2014 GZ beaten by himself already....
Also you think Kong could done anything to Fire Godzilla even with power fist? If not then why by feats alone and scaling should Fire GZ < Evo Godzilla? Surely Kong should whip Fire Godzilla ass, its weaker right? RIIIIGHT?!
Edit: Novel posted by Multi confirms they are same league only the Spiral Ray is suppose better I guess.
@multifandomboyo:So stated in novel that the 30X super death breath of ultimate power struck Scar Kings hand directly, not stated graze, stated STRUCK it, and it failed to burn his hand off completely or damage it beyond use?
So the strongest blast Godzilla has, suppose stronger than the one used on Ghidorah in pulses..... doesnt harm Scar Kings hands beyond use? Scar King >>>>>>>>>>>>> Ghidorah then? Wait if Scar King >>>>>>>>> Ghidorah then how to Godzilla beat the Scar King and his Monkey Army way back when 2014 and prior Godzilla <<< KotM Godzilla <<< Fire/Evolve Godzilla?!?!
Kong Mecha Arm is made from the tech of Mechagodzilla and in time line the project was shut down as soon it started. This leads to the fact the Mecha Arm made for kong is not that damn advanced from Mecha GZ tech, at all!!!! Unless you think they jumped centuries of tech in a year time frame? if so, your foolish as shit.
Kong's Mecha arm also never stated to increase his power either. Only stated to HEAL HIS ARM OF FROSTBITE. It healed Kong to full health, not amp him at all. Thats it!!! Thats the stated facts!!!!
Shimo vs Mecha Arm
The Mechagodzilla tech base arm of Kong withstood over a MINUET, OVER A FREAKING MINUET, of Shimo ice blast on full power, and suffer NO DAMAGE! None!!!
Shimo vs Kong Axe made of Godzilla Plate and Bone
As seen the old ass decrepit as shit bone and Dorsal Plate of Godzilla tank Shimo best Ice Attack along with Kongs forearm with no damage to the Plate Armor and Bone of a weak Godzilla, and Kongs arm suffer frostbite a bit. Whoopie....
Evolve Godzilla stated Facts
As stated the density is only increase to not go meltdown mode, stated in writing his muscle density acts ONLY AS Thermoregulation. For the increase energy, as in to hold the energy without harm. Nothing stated increase muscle or strength or durability. It focuses on his Dorsal plates and states only 20x ENERGY CAPACITY!!!! Thats it. GZ has simply more energy to use.
Kong Superiority Over Evolve Godzilla
Evolve Godzilla rams Kong with a full charge through the pyramid. Kong is fine.
Godzilla slams Kong yet again into the Pyramid and full up and over body slams the ape. Kong still good.
Kong then throws freaking sand in Godzilla's eyes and lays Godzilla ass flat with a single attack from the Mechagodzilla grade gauntlet.
Just for Reference this super power punch from the Mechagodzilla tech made Gauntlet did not even KNOCK OUT SCAR KING!!!!! but it dazed and took down Evolve Godzilla???!!!??!!
Godzilla is shown temporary KOed and stun for a lengthy time till recovering from the several blows of the Mechagodzilla level Gauntlet and Kongs NORMAL FISTS!!!!!
Then Godzilla comes to and foot stomps Kong several times... guess what.... Kong is fine! Where last movie this broke his ribs and stopped his heart, but Evolved super Godzilla out for blood failed to do that again???!!!!???
Scar King and Fodder Apes Durability vs Evolved Godzilla
Godzilla full body slams one ape and tosses him away and tail whip the shit of another fodder ape without killing it at all or even KOing it.
Godzilla super breath of awesome unlimited power flies over Scar Kings backside. Does it burn his back up? nope. Art and graphics show singing thats it. Unlike say Fire Godzilla who burn to ash Ghidorah body with its power.
State in novel and shown in film Scar King hand, his freaking hand alone tanks the direct blast of Godzilla with no real damage.
Kong and Godzilla ping pong Scar king who is not even KOed by Godzilla super strong tail attacks???? Same already heavily injured Scar King.... not even fazed by this Godzilla super blow..... wow....
Godzilla and Shimo vs Mothra Attacks
Both Shimo and Evolve Godzilla gets KNOCKED on their ass and clearly stunned hard from Mothra's flash energy attack. Same Mothra who never got a power up and was being beaten by freaking Rodan and killed easy by Ghidorah in KotM films.
Shimo Durability vs Godzilla Attacks
Shimo is blasted airborne, and seen burning where blasted at for a short time by a single blast from Evolve Godzilla. Same Shimo dazed and knock back by KotM movie Mothra of all freaking monsters. Soooo tough....
Shimo Attacks vs Godzilla
Godzilla passive heat and normal strength casually counters Shimo's ice freezing attacks.
Shimo Freezing The World Into A Ice Age Power
Wow Shimo with over 10 seconds couldn't freeze a fraction of a city with his power. It seems exaggerated. The only explanation is Shimo blast in the sky makes freezing clouds that freeze city worth of land mass at a time, maybe they get bigger. All we see is her failing to freeze a city with her blasts and her storm freeze cloud barely covers the land in ice even after 15 minuets of snowing and shit. WHOOPIE FREAKY DOO..............
Kong Mecha Arm is made from the tech of Mechagodzilla and in time line the project was shut down as soon it started. This leads to the fact the Mecha Arm made for kong is not that damn advanced from Mecha GZ tech, at all!!!! Unless you think they jumped centuries of tech in a year time frame? if so, your foolish as shit.
Kong's Mecha arm also never stated to increase his power either. Only stated to HEAL HIS ARM OF FROSTBITE. It healed Kong to full health, not amp him at all. Thats it!!! Thats the stated facts!!!!
Shimo vs Mecha Arm
The Mechagodzilla tech base arm of Kong withstood over a MINUET, OVER A FREAKING MINUET, of Shimo ice blast on full power, and suffer NO DAMAGE! None!!!
Shimo vs Kong Axe made of Godzilla Plate and Bone
As seen the old ass decrepit as shit bone and Dorsal Plate of Godzilla tank Shimo best Ice Attack along with Kongs forearm with no damage to the Plate Armor and Bone of a weak Godzilla, and Kongs arm suffer frostbite a bit. Whoopie....
Evolve Godzilla stated Facts
As stated the density is only increase to not go meltdown mode, stated in writing his muscle density acts ONLY AS Thermoregulation. For the increase energy, as in to hold the energy without harm. Nothing stated increase muscle or strength or durability. It focuses on his Dorsal plates and states only 20x ENERGY CAPACITY!!!! Thats it. GZ has simply more energy to use.
Kong Superiority Over Evolve Godzilla
Evolve Godzilla rams Kong with a full charge through the pyramid. Kong is fine.
Godzilla slams Kong yet again into the Pyramid and full up and over body slams the ape. Kong still good.
Kong then throws freaking sand in Godzilla's eyes and lays Godzilla ass flat with a single attack from the Mechagodzilla grade gauntlet.
Just for Reference this super power punch from the Mechagodzilla tech made Gauntlet did not even KNOCK OUT SCAR KING!!!!! but it dazed and took down Evolve Godzilla???!!!??!!
Godzilla is shown temporary KOed and stun for a lengthy time till recovering from the several blows of the Mechagodzilla level Gauntlet and Kongs NORMAL FISTS!!!!!
Then Godzilla comes to and foot stomps Kong several times... guess what.... Kong is fine! Where last movie this broke his ribs and stopped his heart, but Evolved super Godzilla out for blood failed to do that again???!!!!???
Scar King and Fodder Apes Durability vs Evolved Godzilla
Godzilla full body slams one ape and tosses him away and tail whip the shit of another fodder ape without killing it at all or even KOing it.
Godzilla super breath of awesome unlimited power flies over Scar Kings backside. Does it burn his back up? nope. Art and graphics show singing thats it. Unlike say Fire Godzilla who burn to ash Ghidorah body with its power.
State in novel and shown in film Scar King hand, his freaking hand alone tanks the direct blast of Godzilla with no real damage.
Kong and Godzilla ping pong Scar king who is not even KOed by Godzilla super strong tail attacks???? Same already heavily injured Scar King.... not even fazed by this Godzilla super blow..... wow....
Godzilla and Shimo vs Mothra Attacks
Both Shimo and Evolve Godzilla gets KNOCKED on their ass and clearly stunned hard from Mothra's flash energy attack. Same Mothra who never got a power up and was being beaten by freaking Rodan and killed easy by Ghidorah in KotM films.
Shimo Durability vs Godzilla Attacks
Shimo is blasted airborne, and seen burning where blasted at for a short time by a single blast from Evolve Godzilla. Same Shimo dazed and knock back by KotM movie Mothra of all freaking monsters. Soooo tough....
Shimo Freezing The World Into A Ice Age Power
Wow Shimo with over 10 seconds couldn't freeze a fraction of a city with his power. It seems exaggerated. The only explanation is Shimo blast in the sky makes freezing clouds that freeze city worth of land mass at a time, maybe they get bigger. All we see is her failing to freeze a city with her blasts and her storm freeze cloud barely covers the land in ice even after 15 minuets of snowing and shit. WHOOPIE FREAKY DOO..............
We already had this discussion.
Evo Gz > Thermo
Shimo > Ghidorah
Mothra can restrain Ghidorah in KOTM and he only broke free because Godzilla smashed him through the building so her Knocking Down Gz is NOT an anti feat.
Kong knocked down Godzilla and GvK and it's been FIRMLY established that he was nowhere near his level, just because Godzilla got knocked on his ass Like what kinda goofy ass double standards is this?
It should also be established that Kong Has ZERO superiority over Evo Gz
Andrews literally thinks Godzilla could stop Shimo and Skar on his own, Kong is literally seeking out Godzilla's help which wouldn't make sense if he had superiority over Godzilla that's dumb as hell, and The Novel says that Kong has zero chance if Godzilla couldn't do anything to her
Kong is amped up far past his GvK self with the Glove and him taking hits from an Evo Godzilla without having his ribs caved in Prove that
Same with him Going from being fatally injured by Shimo (from an attack he blocked) To him Blocking the same attack with no trouble
Shimo wasn't burned by That Atomic blast that off guarded her, and the novel literally says later on it's a toss up between Her and Supercharged Evo Gz.
I have never seen someone so desperate to Downplay so badly when it's shown and reiterated that The Characters are getting stronger. The feats match up with it too.
You say it's new movie hype, but it's literally just you running on old film nostalgia
Your foolish silly opinion. Backed by ignroing the feats and facts plaine for all to see lol.
Mothra can restrain Ghidorah in KOTM and he only broke free because Godzilla smashed him through the building so her Knocking Down Gz is NOT an anti feat.
A feat for the webbing, and your super foolish to suggest mothra had a chance to harm Ghidorah at all in that film lmao. All it could do was temporary distract Ghidorah and die to a single full blast. All the while getting its ass kicked by Rodan.
Ghidorah using all three beams to vaporize Mothra. Clearly Mothra had more power than Ghidorah.... nice try....
Kong knocked down Godzilla and GvK and it's been FIRMLY established that he was nowhere near his level, just because Godzilla got knocked on his ass Like what kinda goofy ass double standards is this?
More proof of the VAST AMOUNT of anti feats.
Ghidorah uses all three beams to send flying back 99,000 tons of Godzilla. Meanwhile we have Amped Ghidorah unable to even budge Fire Godzilla.
Hmmmmmmm...... one aint like the other............. Evolve taking back and flown a distance by a Kaiju <<<<< Ghidorah <<<<<<<< Fire Godzilla? Dosent bode well for your proof.....
It should also be established that Kong Has ZERO superiority over Evo Gz
Yeah taking Evo GZ bloodlusted no hold back physical attacks and still KO the lizard even temporary in the process is not a anti feat at all.....
Andrews literally thinks Godzilla could stop Shimo and Skar on his own, Kong is literally seeking out Godzilla's help which wouldn't make sense if he had superiority over Godzilla that's dumb as hell, and The Novel says that Kong has zero chance if Godzilla couldn't do anything to her
I think you misunderstand, no way is Kong beating GZ, though he clearly can. He just had to not stop wailing on Evo GZ and likely could have killed him if he just kept punching. Its only when he held back from beating on the Lizard that GZ had time to recover. Thats looks pretty bad....
Kong is amped up far past his GvK self with the Glove and him taking hits from an Evo Godzilla without having his ribs caved in Prove that
You never prove this. Not once stated in novel or movie. All we know is it healed him of injuries from Scar. Thats it. Prove otherwise you freaking liar! I will admit I am wrong, PROVE IT! Where is the statement?! Thats all I need, and ask this of you several times.
Shimo wasn't burned by That Atomic blast that off guarded her, and the novel literally says later on it's a toss up between Her and Supercharged Evo Gz.
I dont give a shit what the non canon novel says with all its hyperbole tbh. Im using the main proof, movie. Movie feats and statements > Novels in canon. You know this too :) Novel needs to be supported by the film. Not the other way around lmao. Even if the Novel does not outright say what I said, it was shown in film clear on screen.
I have never seen someone so desperate to Downplay so badly when it's shown and reiterated that The Characters are getting stronger. The feats match up with it too.
I never seen a debater who cannot post the proof I ask for. Meanwhile I show my proof over and over and over.
You say it's new movie hype, but it's literally just you running on old film nostalgia
Get with the days, KOTM is old news.
Says children out on the school yard who cannot debate for shit. ;)
Shimo neutralises Burning Godzilla with her breath
And then yeets him across a city. Godzilla after absorbing the nuclear plant was already giving off Burning Godzilla type attacks. Then he specially evolved for this.
Also lol at the Mothra lowball when the novel confirmed she would have killed Ghidorah if Rodan hadn’t saved his ass.
Shimo neutralises Burning Godzilla with her breath
And then yeets him across a city. Godzilla after absorbing the nuclear plant was already giving off Burning Godzilla type attacks. Then he specially evolved for this.
Also lol at the Mothra lowball when the novel confirmed she would have killed Ghidorah if Rodan hadn’t saved his ass.
Um Shimo could not even Neutralise the passive heat of Evolve Godzilla.
or freeze the Mechagodzilla Tech Arm.
So they will freeze this Godzilla passive Heat and Nuke Pulses?
Your foolish silly opinion. Backed by ignroing the feats and facts plaine for all to see lol.
Argue with Greg Keys
A feat for the webbing, and your super foolish to suggest mothra had a chance to harm Ghidorah at all in that film lmao. All it could do was temporary distract Ghidorah and die to a single full blast.
Again, The double standards. It doesn't take a genius to see that Mothra doesn't downscale a character because she can prove herself temporarily useful in a fight. Plus Ghidorah had to amp himself up and hit her with all 3 gravity beams AFTER she had been weakened to kill her. Lmfao what kinda shitty feat is that? Amped Ghidorah killing weakened Mothra? Sooo impressive. Good to see you agree if a character shows a valid feat against an Objectively stronger One they scale rather than it being an Anti feat.
All the while getting its ass kicked by Rodan.
Rodan lost the fight.
Ghidorah using all three beams to vaporize Mothra. Clearly Mothra had more power than Ghidorah.... nice try....
Using your own logic on you, smartass. Which you clearly disagree with. So drop it with tagging me talking about Anti Feats.
More proof of the VAST AMOUNT of anti feats.
Another miss, how surprising.
And what's this???
Shit that anyone with half a brain that watched the movies could tell? The Glove that helped him go from Getting killed and barely effecting a weakened Godzilla in GvK to Knocking down an Amped Up Godzilla is literally a tool that enhances his strength???? WOW I had no goddamn idea!
Same fucking Concept with the Axe. We already Knew it was boosting his attack power without them having to hold our hands like inept grade school kids. Learn what an Implication is.
Ghidorah uses all three beams to send flying back 99,000 tons of Godzilla. Meanwhile we have Amped Ghidorah unable to even budge Fire Godzilla.
Cool these guys are weaker than Evo
Hmmmmmmm...... one aint like the other............. Evolve taking back and flown a distance by a Kaiju <<<<< Ghidorah <<<<<<<< Fire Godzilla? Dosent bode well for your proof.....
Buildings in the same vicinity taking the same amount of radiation still standing, unaffected while Ghidorah gets turned to ash for a Memorial Urn?? That's quite the anti feat
Buildings > Amped Ghidorah
Yeah taking Evo GZ bloodlusted no hold back physical attacks and still KO the lizard even temporary in the process is not a anti feat at all.....
Holding back as he never resorts to the spiral Ray/supercharges himself. Literally subdues Kong moments later. Vs a Ghidorah who's actively fighting for his life getting restrained by Mothra and only breaking out because of Godzilla...Certaintly not an Anti feat. She just scales, right? Just like GxK Kong and GxK Mothra, smartass.
I think you misunderstand, no way is Kong beating GZ, though he clearly can.
"No way is Kong beating GZ"
"He clearly can"
You're literally a walking contradiction. Also,
Not even 3 comments earlier:
Kong Superiority Over Evolve Godzilla
No, Kong can't beat Evo Gz. If he could he wouldn't need his help. If he could Andrews would've said Kong can beat both Shimo and Skar on his own. If he could the novel would've said his chances against Shimo are better than Godzilla's. But None of that happens.
You never prove this. Not once stated in novel or movie. All we know is it healed him of injuries from Scar. Thats it. Prove otherwise you freaking liar! I will admit I am wrong, PROVE IT! Where is the statement?! Thats all I need, and ask this of you several times.
The proof is in the feats you ask for, I also showed a scan before, how do you think you're debunking anything bro????????? Learn what an Implication is. For the second damn time.
I dont give a shit what the non canon novel says with all its hyperbole tbh. Im using the main proof, movie. Movie feats and statements > Novels in canon. You know this too :) Novel needs to be supported by the film. Not the other way around lmao. Even if the Novel does not outright say what I said, it was shown in film clear on screen.
Let's see what the director of your favorite Monsterverse film has to say:
So, the supposed Non canon novel, that includes events like Aftershock, awakening, and Dominion, Kaiju like Muto Prime, Shinomura, and the Mutos from the 2014 film, Is used as the answer for what Kong was doing during the KOTM Movie.
Director's opinion >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Whatever you think to suit an Agenda
Also Prove it's Hyperbole. (You can't, and you only said that as if it were a valid debunk to what it stated)
I never seen a debater who cannot post the proof I ask for. Meanwhile I show my proof over and over and over.
All I ever done is post proof and you try to Argue against it.
"Spiral Ray Evo > Thermo"
Just your opinion
Hyperbole
Non canon
Like I said before, you're literally on a nostalgia trip and can't make a half decent case for shit.
Says children out on the school yard who cannot debate for shit. ;)
Weren't you the same Goon trying to scale Amped Ghidorah's AP Above Thermo Godzilla after we seen his Attacks do jack shit and he got negged in 3 attacks???????????
Why the novels are not primary canon and filled with hyperbole or random shit not in film?
Again, The double standards. It doesn't take a genius to see that Mothra doesn't downscale a character because she can prove herself temporarily useful in a fight. Plus Ghidorah had to amp himself up and hit her with all 3 gravity beams AFTER she had been weakened to kill her. Lmfao what kinda shitty feat is that? Amped Ghidorah killing weakened Mothra? Sooo impressive. Good to see you agree if a character shows a valid feat against an Objectively stronger One they scale rather than it being an Anti feat.
She was so powerful couldn't even beat Rodan who Ghidorah easy took out. Stop playing dumb here. It makes debating with ya pointless.
Rodan lost the fight.
After the thrashing it gave Mothra most of the dozen minuet fight? From a last ditch move? Sure.
Using your own logic on you, smartass. Which you clearly disagree with. So drop it with tagging me talking about Anti Feats.
Why the movie was poor written and filled with inconsistencies more than any other Monsterverse film. Facts.
Another miss, how surprising.
Shit that anyone with half a brain that watched the movies could tell? The Glove that helped him go from Getting killed and barely effecting a weakened Godzilla in GvK to Knocking down an Amped Up Godzilla is literally a tool that enhances his strength???? WOW I had no goddamn idea!
LOLOLOL OMG GOD!!!!!!!!
YOUR POROOF IS A FREAKING TOY DESCRIPTION MADE BY A COMPANY NOT LEGENADRY THEMSELVES!!!!!!!!!! Hold up, OMG, hold up, the description also states King Kong was planet shattering before the gauntlet, guess its true, The toy company said so!!!!!!!!!!!
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While the novel is secondary canon like comics, I accept that, at least they are made by Legendary, not a hyperbole filled toy description. LOLOLOL. Hot damn dude.
Same fucking Concept with the Axe. We already Knew it was boosting his attack power without them having to hold our hands like inept grade school kids. Learn what an Implication is.
Yeah its called bad writing. Thats like seeing Aquaman start beating on Superman and we now must assume Aquaman > Superman? No its just PIS. Fun to watch or see, but not accurate at all to the lore before it. Takes only more than half a brain cell to see this mate.
Cool these guys are weaker than Evo
Yeah and the same argument comes back, by how much weaker!? In what ways? Are we talking physically, energy capacity, ect ect. You just assume all areas he is superior, when clearly he is not.
Buildings in the same vicinity taking the same amount of radiation still standing, unaffected while Ghidorah gets turned to ash for a Memorial Urn?? That's quite the anti feat
Buildings > Amped Ghidorah
Buildings where melting its in the first gif lmao. Damn you are bad at this.
Holding back as he never resorts to the spiral Ray/supercharges himself. Literally subdues Kong moments later.
After Kong already knock his ass out and stop fighting. Context missing there lmao. I agree the Spiral Ray would end kong if it hit, problem was it missed Kong when used and the stats of durability and strength are just not there for Evo GZ in the fight vs Kong.
Vs a Ghidorah who's actively fighting for his life getting restrained by Mothra
and only breaking out because of Godzilla...Certaintly not an Anti feat. She just scales, right? Just like GxK Kong and GxK Mothra, smartass.
Sneak attack by Mothra hardly fighting for life, lor a anti feat. Plus even funnier this was pre amp Ghidorah anyway. Once amped he surpass Godzilla. Try harder.
"No way is Kong beating GZ"
"He clearly can"
You're literally a walking contradiction. Also,
Not even 3 comments earlier:
Thats the idea buckaroo, the inconsistency of the films. No way should Kong handle GZ, especially a stronger version, the strongest, yet he did.
The proof is in the feats you ask for, I also showed a scan before, how do you think you're debunking anything bro????????? Learn what an Implication is. For the second damn time.
I ask for statement. You ASSUME IN HEADCANON he got stronger from it. I disagree with logic and facts Godzilla just was not stronger in any way but energy capacity. As the scans stated in movie of his capacity storage being 20x more and his vast amount of anti feats in strength and durability to older versions of himself.
Let's see what the director of your favorite Monsterverse film has to say:
So, the supposed Non canon novel, that includes events like Aftershock, awakening, and Dominion, Kaiju like Muto Prime, Shinomura, and the Mutos from the 2014 film, Is used as the answer for what Kong was doing during the KOTM Movie.
Director's opinion >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Whatever you think to suit an Agenda
Also Prove it's Hyperbole. (You can't, and you only said that as if it were a valid debunk to what it stated)
Are this ignorant and unintelligent? Nothing you posted stated the Novels are canon. Mike cut out a piece he agree with. Nothing here states he agrees the novels > his movie or that all the parts of the movie is facts. Comics and Novels are secondary canon. Better to be used in a vs debate with other franchise. In a monsterverse vs monsterverse debate, the lore and statements in comics and novels do not match up. There is shit tons in the comics that is contradicted by Monarch Show and Movies. Tons. Try harder. Thus what is stated in Novel better be supported by whats in the movie or at the least not contradicted.
All I ever done is post proof and you try to Argue against it.
"Spiral Ray Evo > Thermo"
Just your opinion
Hyperbole
Non canon
Like I said before, you're literally on a nostalgia trip and can't make a half decent case for shit.
So you really have no statement of these increase Dragonball Z power levels and durability/strength? Good to know.
Weren't you the same Goon trying to scale Amped Ghidorah's AP Above Thermo Godzilla after we seen his Attacks do jack shit and he got negged in 3 attacks???????????
Don't be like this KOTM Fanboy ^
GxK Gaps KOTM gaps til further Notice
I said Ghdiorah burn Meltdown Godzilla. Did NO DAMAGE to Fire Godzilla. What are you on about here?
The counter measures is something Fire Godzilla already has. Debunked.
False.
Shimo easily takes down Evolved Godzilla with a sustained beam. Which Godzilla is only able to break out of due to his evolved heat regulation
Godzilla before evolving is straight stated to be burning level.
In fact he's said to be glowing brighter than in reference to Boston
Godzilla then fights and absorbs massive amounts of energy from solar winds that will "supercharge" him even in comparison to his current state which is > Burning Godzilla
After this is just made plain clear despite having records of Boston and the like they've never seen energy on the levels of Evolved Godzilla
So yes all the energy he's storing up (20x amp) is higher than anything they've seen before and they're well aware of Burning Godzilla. Evolved > Burning.
Its Mechagodzilla Tech. Same level of power as Mechagodzilla would have had for his arm.
Being based on the same tech doesn't mean its equal to that tech. Especially since this is years later. Project Powerhouse is something entirely new. And this is just blatently clear by loooking at is and seeing the design is different.
Even if it provided the exact same amp as MGZs arms. It would then be MGZ + Kong for each strike. MGZ was getting matched in raw strength by 50% Kong after a long fight. So Kong would be hitting much harder with the glove + the energy attack.
Nope.
Evolved Godzilla is a "supercharged" version of Burning and would have been oneshot if not for his new heat regulation.
Why the novels are not primary canon and filled with hyperbole or random shit not in film?
Not hyperbole and you haven't proved it yet when I asked, The Novels give extra details and scenes not shown in the film that are still canon.
Examples: Kong Scene that Mike references, Muto Prime, Shinomura, Mutos from 2014, Nakikka, etc.
They're canon and Micheal literally acknowledges them.
She was so powerful couldn't even beat Rodan who Ghidorah easy took out. Stop playing dumb here. It makes debating with ya pointless.
She literally beat Rodan..To go ally with Godzilla. Yet I'm playing dumb? Smartass.
She still webbed up Ghidorah and he couldn't escape Until Godzilla did it by destroying the entire building Ghidorah was plastered onto.
Why the movie was poor written and filled with inconsistencies more than any other Monsterverse film. Facts.
None not nearly as bad as Buildings withstanding the Pulses that negged Ghidorah. Facts.
YOUR POROOF IS A FREAKING TOY DESCRIPTION MADE BY A COMPANY NOT LEGENADRY THEMSELVES!!!!!!!!!! Hold up, OMG, hold up, the description also states King Kong was planet shattering before the gauntlet, guess its true, The toy company said so!!!!!!!!!!!
The feats in the film support it, and legendary themselves have not come out and invalidated this info.
Kong in the last film was also literally capable of Tanking a planet's worth of Gravity due to the Hollow Earth Vortex entry point.
While the novel is secondary canon like comics, I accept that, at least they are made by Legendary, not a hyperbole filled toy description. LOLOLOL. Hot damn dude.
This Movie he can knock down an Objectively more powerful Godzilla AFTER He got a Glove that is said to and HEAVILY Implied to augment his strength. It would be PIS if it was Base Kong rocking GOdzilla and Not a Newer Blatantly Amped Variation of the character.
Same Fucking deal with Ghidorah, there's NO statements of Him Amping himself in the movie, but after he Sucks up a Power grid, and ends up wounded amped Godzilla despite losing previously, You claim it's "Amped Ghidorah." Where's the Fucking evidence? There isn't any like there is for Kong at least. Stop playing dumb like holy shit
Yeah its called bad writing. Thats like seeing Aquaman start beating on Superman and we now must assume Aquaman > Superman? No its just PIS. Fun to watch or see, but not accurate at all to the lore before it. Takes only more than half a brain cell to see this mate.
No, the fuck it isn't. If It was Base or Axe Kong knocking down Godzilla and temporarily KOing him instead of a newly introduced variation with Heavy implications that his new weapon is stronger, Then it would be bad writing since it's contradicting The lore established in the last film of Axe Kong being no match for Godzilla. We don't even SEE the Beast Glove in Gvk, so how the fuck is that PIS and Bad writing? Not to mention they literally go on to say and imply that shit doesn't put him in the same tier as Evo Gz.
I can say the same shit for Ghidorah who you claim was "amped" but there's no statements of it. Then he magically overpowers Godzilla?? was that PIS? Bad writing? Obviously it's implied in the movie without them having to tell us GHidorah's Power has increased, and the feats check out, so you roll with it without showing any evidence. It's the same case here and any competent scaler could see that.
Yeah and the same argument comes back, by how much weaker!? In what ways? Are we talking physically, energy capacity, ect ect. You just assume all areas he is superior, when clearly he is not.
He is. Energy Control, Energy Capacity, Power level, Durability, Whatever you want to Bring up because he has More Radiation that directly Fuels his Being. The most BASIC Yt shorts scaler would know this shit but somehow you don't
I ask for statement. You ASSUME IN HEADCANON he got stronger from it. I disagree with logic and facts Godzilla just was not stronger in any way but energy capacity. As the scans stated in movie of his capacity storage being 20x more and his vast amount of anti feats in strength and durability to older versions of himself.
Radiation Fuels his stats. I already had this argument with you and Gangorca, They literally use radiation to power him up in KOTM and Now he can hold even more radiation than Both of the Forms introduced in the film It make him stronger. Not to mention the Form was Based off of Kaioken. It's not Headcanon, but going off of previously established canon. Radiation makes him stronger. Godzilla with more radiation = Stronger Godzilla. Thermonuclear Godzilla is stronger than Oxygen Destroyer Attack Godzilla, because he was rejuvenated with Radiation. FOH with these Garbo points
Buildings where melting its in the first gif lmao. Damn you are bad at this.
No?? They're still standing in the same spots not nearly as affected as "Amped Ghidorah"
After Kong already knock his ass out and stop fighting. Context missing there lmao. I agree the Spiral Ray would end kong if it hit, problem was it missed Kong when used and the stats of durability and strength are just not there for Evo GZ in the fight vs Kong.
Still ended up beating Kong without unveiling ANYthing on Shimo's level. So how is Kong superior like you said? If Kong was capable of Beating and Superior to Godzilla he should've been able to take out Shimo and Skar alone. Yet he seeks his help, Andrews thinks Godzilla can stop them both, and the novel says Kong isn't on shimo's level. Interesting...
Sneak attack by Mothra hardly fighting for life, lor a anti feat. Plus even funnier this was pre amp Ghidorah anyway. Once amped he surpass Godzilla. Try harder.
Ghidorah is in a fight with his arch nemesis who's attempting to kill him. Fuck do you mean "hardly fighting for life"?? Terrible argument. Sneak Attacks don't change Ghidorah's strength neither, so why bring that point up like Mothra didn't sneak Shimo as well as we see her attention is on Godzilla.
Also Prove Ghidorah was amped. There's not a single statement of it.
Thats the idea buckaroo, the inconsistency of the films. No way should Kong handle GZ, especially a stronger version, the strongest, yet he did.
Like I said, and you completely ignored in your response, if he was on Evo's Level or superior to it he could've stopped Shimo and Skar on his Own. But he didn't. There is no inconsistency when a new variable is introduced to the mix that we've never seen before.
Example: Kong's Glove which we've never seen before so we don't have an idea of it's strength, Ghidorah's Grid Amp that we've never seen before so we don't have an idea of it's strength.
Ghidorah's wasn't inconsistent even though he was on the losing end Against Godzilla, so what's the problem here with Kong??? Double Standards yet again.
I ask for statement. You ASSUME IN HEADCANON he got stronger from it. I disagree with logic and facts Godzilla just was not stronger in any way but energy capacity. As the scans stated in movie of his capacity storage being 20x more and his vast amount of anti feats in strength and durability to older versions of himself.
There is no need for a fucking statement when we have the feats and implications to back it up, Again this is the same case with Ghidorah. He magically got stronger than Godzilla after sucking up a Power grid but nobody says he got stronger. Is that your Headcanon that it's Amped Ghidorah? PIS? Should it just be thrown out the window? Kong has statements, feats, and Implications supporting an amp. Ghidorah doesn't have any statements. You Just assumed so because he went from Being level With Godzilla (losing) to Overpowering him in a few attacks. Same case with Kong.
Are this ignorant and unintelligent? Nothing you posted stated the Novels are canon. Mike cut out a piece he agree with. Nothing here states he agrees the novels > his movie or that all the parts of the movie is facts. Comics and Novels are secondary canon.
He acknowledges the existence of the Novels that Have previously established entries and lore, and uses it to Fill in the gap for something that never happened in the movie. That's all the novels are, they expand on scenes and fill in lore Gaps. They're canon.
Better to be used in a vs debate with other franchise. In a monsterverse vs monsterverse debate, the lore and statements in comics and novels do not match up. There is shit tons in the comics that is contradicted by Monarch Show and Movies. Tons. Try harder. Thus what is stated in Novel better be supported by whats in the movie or at the least not contradicted.
Monarch show is soft canon, they completely retcon awakening and aftershock even though Michael and legendary take the comics as canon.
Example: Godzilla's spine change from 2014 to KOTM. They specifically tell you to go to Aftershock to find out why.
That also Doesn't mean that only the Muto Prime fight where his spines are shattered is canon and the rest of the comic isn't. Basic Shit.
So you really have no statement of these increase Dragonball Z power levels and durability/strength? Good to know.
I already showed you, told you to argue with Greg who wrote the novels, and then you proceeded to say "nah you haven't shown any statements" Talk about not knowing how to debate..
I said Ghdiorah burn Meltdown Godzilla. Did NO DAMAGE to Fire Godzilla. What are you on about here?
Don't Play dumb.
"The same juiced Godzilla body that withstands that burning Godzilla power without melting down was burned by amped Ghidorah beforehand"
Sneak Goonery way of trying to scale Ghidorah's AP to Thermo after seeing the statement of Evo Gz's Spiral Ray being above Thermo and Shimo tanked that. Sad
I know its crazy how shit of a debater you are. It blows my mind lmao.
>shit debator
"well yeah you showed this statement but show it again you haven't showed it before"
"Amped Ghidorah can harm the same body that can withstand Thermo Powers without melting down"
"there's no statements of Kong being amped so it doesn't matter when his feats against a stronger Godzilla say otherwise, and if there are statements they're hyperbole "
"no I won't prove why they're hyperbole"
"newly introduced amp that we've never seen before showing off feats better than what the character displayed prior without any statement of them getting stronger is pis"
"Ghidorah's (never mentioned to be Amped) Amp is not PIS he just scales"
"Mothra can knock down Evo Gz and Stun Shimo what an Anti feat"
"Mothra restraining Ghidorah just means she scales it isn't an Anti feat"
Yeah, sure, i'm def a shit debater that you conceded to twice and now you run on bullshit to try and debunk my points (Not working, for the 3rd time)
@jurance: This isn't true. The novel makes it clear that GZ was "tearing Ghidorah apart" faster than it could regen. Chomping on the power grid was a desperation play.
Again its outright stated that if Mothra's attack had landed that it would have been a "killing blow" to Ghidorah had Rodan not appeared. That's really the end of the argument. They are both capable of killing the other.
@greysentinel365: He didn't even tear anything off of Ghidorah throughout the fight so I have no idea what you're talking about. Did you even watch the movie or did you only read the novel?
@jurance: We don't see all of Ghidorah during the late stages of the fight so no way to know. GZ is clearly dominating though. Novel states it though and there's nothing to contradict that other than cope.
@greysentinel365: He didn't even tear anything off of Ghidorah throughout the fight so I have no idea what you're talking about. Did you even watch the movie or did you only read the novel?
I see a pattern with the Novels contradiction lol. You are right jurance though. These guys, man....
Not hyperbole and you haven't proved it yet when I asked, The Novels give extra details and scenes not shown in the film that are still canon.
The Novels add things not in film, written by a author who is not the script writer or director. The Novels are canon in a secondary sense.
Examples: Kong Scene that Mike references, Muto Prime, Shinomura, Mutos from 2014, Nakikka, etc.
They're canon and Micheal literally acknowledges them.
Which is fine, doesnt change the fact Adam who directed Kong yet to quote the GxK Novel and its statements of events. When that happens you will have a point.
She literally beat Rodan..To go ally with Godzilla. Yet I'm playing dumb? Smartass.
If she is as powerful as you proclaim she is and power scale her to hurting Evolve Godzilla and Shimo and being above Ghidorah, then this should never happen to her.
Getting ragdoll for solid few minuets. By a much weaker Titan to Ghidorah and Godzilla.
She still webbed up Ghidorah and he couldn't escape Until Godzilla did it by destroying the entire building Ghidorah was plastered onto.
He was escaping fine biting the web off, until a second later Godzilla bullrush the distracted Ghidorah. It no different than Spider man webbing the eyes of Hulk really.
Doesnt make Spider Man > Hulk.
None not nearly as bad as Buildings withstanding the Pulses that negged Ghidorah. Facts.
They sure didnt. The movie actually made it a point to show this first. More than GxK did for showing things.
The feats in the film support it, and legendary themselves have not come out and invalidated this info.
Why would they? They are a large company of many people. I am going by the fact movies are the main source of canon and Novels written by a secondary author who has nothing to do with the films does not take precedence over the films
Kong in the last film was also literally capable of Tanking a planet's worth of Gravity due to the Hollow Earth Vortex entry point.
Yeah according to the Novel....
Supplementary material confirms redshift + faster than time
Kong and Godzilla both can survive the magical energy of gravity inversion which the novel states speed had magically speed up while time visibly slowed from the speed. All before snapping back with a worlds of gravity slamming you in a instant. Novel character describes it in hyperbole/literal terms as "Like a Volkswagon hitting a black hole." Something Kong and Godzilla can experience all day long with no issues.
Kong is Blackhole durable! Confirm. Its stated in Novel the vortex and hitting it is alike a car hitting a black hole. Yeah Im sure thats accurate, the novel said it ;) Clearly the ships in films are black hole durable... well untill the flying snake Titans explode them with their jaws n GvK film.....
feats support nothing other than Evolve Godzilla is not more durable than GvK version last movie. That is what is supported. Your only proof is the description of planet buster Kong is stronger from toy description not by Legendary or under Legendary at all. Its funny. Even if we play the game of the toy description is accurate the description could be read as just his right arm being stronger as that is what the description was only referring too, not the rest of his body. Its not roof on anything on so many levels.
This Movie he can knock down an Objectively more powerful Godzilla AFTER He got a Glove that is said to and HEAVILY Implied to augment his strength. It would be PIS if it was Base Kong rocking GOdzilla and Not a Newer Blatantly Amped Variation of the character.
He is not more powerful. Nothing states this except in Radiation Storage and Spiral Ray. He is basically Meltdown Godzilla without the Meltdown threat anymore to his body with evolution.
Same Fucking deal with Ghidorah, there's NO statements of Him Amping himself in the movie, but after he Sucks up a Power grid, and ends up wounded amped Godzilla despite losing previously, You claim it's "Amped Ghidorah." Where's the Fucking evidence? There isn't any like there is for Kong at least. Stop playing dumb like holy shit
We actually know he amped himself. He absorbed energy and stated to have. Then started kicking ass. Meanwhile your argument is Godzilla getting stronger when his ass is preforming sub par pghyscially vs Kong Soldiers, Mothra Blasts, Scar King, and Kong himself. The only thing proven was his energy levels and beam attacks stated stronger, sure didnt show in film at all by feats though either, but it was stated those two things were amped.
No, the fuck it isn't. If It was Base or Axe Kong knocking down Godzilla and temporarily KOing him instead of a newly introduced variation with Heavy implications that his new weapon is stronger, Then it would be bad writing since it's contradicting The lore established in the last film of Axe Kong being no match for Godzilla. We don't even SEE the Beast Glove in Gvk, so how the fuck is that PIS and Bad writing? Not to mention they literally go on to say and imply that shit doesn't put him in the same tier as Evo Gz.
Considering the Gauntlet is Mechagodzilla tech it makes sense it can hurt Evolve Godzilla physically since Evolve Godzilla is not stat wise stronger than GvK version was.
Compared to....
Yeah, that indeed makes sense and my point. Evolve GZ is not stats wise stronger than GvK or Meltdown KotM was. Same level in stats. Just more energy storage and beam output.
I can say the same shit for Ghidorah who you claim was "amped" but there's no statements of it. Then he magically overpowers Godzilla?? was that PIS? Bad writing? Obviously it's implied in the movie without them having to tell us GHidorah's Power has increased, and the feats check out, so you roll with it without showing any evidence. It's the same case here and any competent scaler could see that.
I address this already. Its sown and no anti feats for it. You claim Evolve Godzilla is stronger in stats of strength and durability. Not shown at all. Unless you scale Scar King and Kong to higher levels, which is also not supported at all. Everything is head canon fan wank to scale everyone higher because you refuse to acknowledge the Evolve Form is just Meltdown Form levels of power minus the Meltdown threat to his body. As movie stated. Everything was design to contain his nuclear energy and the only more powerful thing about GZ in Novel was the Red Spiral Beam. Nothing for Kong, Mothra, Kong Soldiers, or Scar King who was losing to axe Kong before hand was amped in film or novel. Yet all survive the phsycal attacks of GZ and rocked him around with their own attacks fine.
He is. Energy Control, Energy Capacity, Power level,
Agreed.
Durability, Whatever you want to Bring up because he has More Radiation that directly Fuels his Being.
This all is debunked lmao. You live in a fantasy world.
The most BASIC Yt shorts scaler would know this shit but somehow you don't
I dont power scale with head canon. feats and statements dont support the physical stats amped at all and my explanations and logic dont require everyone magically getting power amps.
Radiation Fuels his stats. I already had this argument with you and Gangorca, They literally use radiation to power him up in KOTM and Now he can hold even more radiation than Both of the Forms introduced in the film It make him stronger.
@jurance@gangorca are both right to argue with you that nothing stated his new form is stronger physically than Meltdown GZ, just able to contain the radiation unlike before.
Not to mention the Form was Based off of Kaioken.
Too bad Monsterverse is not Dragon Ball? Being inspired does not make it the same. How... how are you this damn dense?!
It's not Headcanon, but going off of previously established canon. Radiation makes him stronger. Godzilla with more radiation = Stronger Godzilla. Thermonuclear Godzilla is stronger than Oxygen Destroyer
Too bad the vast am punt of anti feats for Godzilla durability and strength, and lack of statements dont support your headcanon.
No?? They're still standing in the same spots not nearly as affected as "Amped Ghidorah"
They did melt. I did not make this scene up. Not destroying them for CGI sake later does not change they were shown clearly melting and blowing away from pulses before hand lol.
Fire Godzilla heat so hot it melts steel and buildings in proximity with ease.
Fire Godzilla Nuclear Pulses take out and CGI wise damage the building in the right corner from shockwave. Its heat changing how the building looks with material blasted off. So debunk yet again.
Still ended up beating Kong without unveiling ANYthing on Shimo's level. So how is Kong superior like you said?
He was beating Godzilla senseless and taking the suppose 20x more powerful physically Godzilla attacks. Without damage. Clearly physically Evolve Godzilla was not s strong or tough as you imagine with 20x more energy storage in his body.
If Kong was capable of Beating and Superior to Godzilla he should've been able to take out Shimo and Skar alone. Yet he seeks his help, Andrews thinks Godzilla can stop them both, and the novel says Kong isn't on shimo's level. Interesting...
Agree, interesting that Kong in the inconsistent film beat Godzilla unconscious for a few seconds and tank his physical attacks, unless this version of Evo Godzilla is not as strong or durable as you wishfully think. Thus my facts and proof.
Ghidorah is in a fight with his arch nemesis who's attempting to kill him. Fuck do you mean "hardly fighting for life"?? Terrible argument. Sneak Attacks don't change Ghidorah's strength neither, so why bring that point up like Mothra didn't sneak Shimo as well as we see her attention is on Godzilla.
I debunk this.
Also Prove Ghidorah was amped. There's not a single statement of it.
I supported this already with proof and logic.
Like I said, and you completely ignored in your response, if he was on Evo's Level or superior to it he could've stopped Shimo and Skar on his Own. But he didn't. There is no inconsistency when a new variable is introduced to the mix that we've never seen before.
He knocked out Evo GZ meaning Evo GZ is either one of two things....
1) inconsistent, how could kong tank physical blows from Godzilla 20 times stronger? How could a 20x more durable Godzilla be KOed at all?
2) Godzilla 20x power is only energy storage as the scene I clipped states.
Either way....
Example: Kong's Glove which we've never seen before so we don't have an idea of it's strength, Ghidorah's Grid Amp that we've never seen before so we don't have an idea of it's strength.
We seen Kongs glove before in action, its Mecha GZ tech.
Ghidorah's wasn't inconsistent even though he was on the losing end Against Godzilla, so what's the problem here with Kong??? Double Standards yet again.
There is no need for a fucking statement when we have the feats and implications to back it up, Again this is the same case with Ghidorah. He magically got stronger than Godzilla after sucking up a Power grid but nobody says he got stronger. Is that your Headcanon that it's Amped Ghidorah? PIS? Should it just be thrown out the window? Kong has statements, feats, and Implications supporting an amp. Ghidorah doesn't have any statements. You Just assumed so because he went from Being level With Godzilla (losing) to Overpowering him in a few attacks. Same case with Kong.
Address this hundred different ways now. Ghidorah and Godzilla were pretty even level. Meltdown GZ was beating Ghidorah and only when he absorb the electric grid he beat meltdown GZ. There is actual progression. Unlike Evo GZ who had shit performance vs weaker foes than himself. More so when as you claim his physical stats are 20 times higher which absolutely not supported.
He acknowledges the existence of the Novels that Have previously established entries and lore, and uses it to Fill in the gap for something that never happened in the movie. That's all the novels are, they expand on scenes and fill in lore Gaps. They're canon.
Secondary canon, yes. Agreed.
Monarch show is soft canon, they completely retcon awakening and aftershock even though Michael and legendary take the comics as canon.
Oh wow, the Monarch show made directly by Legendary studios and cost all the money is "soft canon" now but the Novels are not!?
HOLY SHIT!!!!
Example: Godzilla's spine change from 2014 to KOTM. They specifically tell you to go to Aftershock to find out why.
That also Doesn't mean that only the Muto Prime fight where his spines are shattered is canon and the rest of the comic isn't. Basic Shit.
Again its almost like the entire Monsterverse is inconsistent. There is a reason people compare Monsterverse lore with Bay Transformers movie lore. Its not super well thought out, just like Showa Era canon. Which is fine, but the show/movies hold priority in a monster verse in universe argument.
I already showed you, told you to argue with Greg who wrote the novels, and then you proceeded to say "nah you haven't shown any statements" Talk about not knowing how to debate..
I dont need to argue with Greg, when Adam movies show me the proof I need.
Don't Play dumb.
Says the king of it.
Sneak Goonery way of trying to scale Ghidorah's AP to Thermo after seeing the statement of Evo Gz's Spiral Ray being above Thermo and Shimo tanked that. Sad
I admitted Evo energy storage and beams > Ghidorah or Meltdown GZ. Just not his strength or durability. Keep up man.
>shit debator
"well yeah you showed this statement but show it again you haven't showed it before"
"there's no statements of Kong being amped so it doesn't matter when his feats against a stronger Godzilla say otherwise, and if there are statements they're hyperbole "
Never did. Toy description that is hyperbole in description, not made by Legendary, and can be read in different ways to what it means is not proof lol.
"Amped Ghidorah can harm the same body that can withstand Thermo Powers without melting down"
Sure can. Juice KotM Godzilla/GvK Godzilla durability = Evo Godzilla durability. Checks out.
"newly introduced amp that we've never seen before showing off feats better than what the character displayed prior without any statement of them getting stronger is pis"
No amp ever stated to the durability and strength. Only energy storage and beam power. I proven this with all the feats shown and the fact there is zero statements otherwise.
"Ghidorah's (never mentioned to be Amped) Amp is not PIS he just scales"
He has no anti feats to say otherwise. Kinda a issue for you with Evo GZ.
"Mothra can knock down Evo Gz and Stun Shimo what an Anti feat"
Kinda yeah if you truly believe they are 20 times stronger. That means Godzilla should bench-press and withstand 200,000 tons force since he is able to handle 100,000 tons fine before the 20 times power increase. UNLESS that 20 times power increase as stated in fil only applies to energy storage and beam output.
"Mothra restraining Ghidorah just means she scales it isn't an Anti feat"
All she did was web the heads and there is nothing really wrong with that.
Yeah, sure, i'm def a shit debater that you conceded to twice and now you run on bullshit to try and debunk my points (Not working, for the 3rd time)
I never conceded. Only trolls say stupid shit like "dur you conceded" after I counter your same points time and again. I mean you are straight dropping F Bombs last post because you already lost the argument.
@jurance: We don't see all of Ghidorah during the late stages of the fight so no way to know. GZ is clearly dominating though. Novel states it though and there's nothing to contradict that other than cope.
If we don't see Ghidorah get ripped apart then there is no reason to assume he did. If you wanna bring up stuff that clearly never happened then I can just say that Ghidorah ripped apart Godzilla.
If we don't see Ghidorah get ripped apart then there is no reason to assume he did.
We don't get a full body shot of Ghidorah to contradict the novel in any way. Also we know Godzilla is capable of this as he literally rips the things head off in the movie.
We can see both his teeth and claws penetrate. So no there's nothing contradicting Godzilla "tearing Ghidorah apart". No idea why you're fighting this so hard.
@greysentinel365: Because we didn't see it happen. It's that simple. No reason to believe something that happened off screen. Did you forget how long it took Ghidorah to regrow his head when it was first ripped off? He clearly does not regenerate during a fight.
If GZ ripped off his heads throughout the fight then we would've seen them in the backround because they aren't small.
Because we didn't see it happen. It's that simple. No reason to believe something that happened off screen.
The novels are considered canon and a form of "extended cut" as confirmed by Legendary.
The author has likewise confimred everything is vetted and approved before it goes out.
I see no reason to discount the Novelizations unless they're directly contrdicted by the movie. Which this isn't.
You're free to disagree on this subject. But you have zero logical grounds to.
I actually side for once on Greys argument. The regen is not super fast buts its there and taking damage that bloodies GZ up in comics get shown to heal fast and same novel version of events. I think one can say "in Novel this is true? and another can say "in Movie this is true". Both can be true. For the perspectives. As said its no baseless on proof shown in film with that insane regen ability.
Adding these here since it seems to be an issue for people
Novels are canon:
Extended scenes are checked over by Legendary several times. Anything there is because they want it there
So yeah. There's really zero reason to argue against use of Novel material unless you can directly show a scene that outright contradicts it explicitely. As you're going against the entire Legendary staff and the intent of their "mythology manager"
The Novels add things not in film, written by a author who is not the script writer or director. The Novels are canon in a secondary sense.
Legendarys approves the novels, Michael acknowledges the novels, AND Greg himself says they are canon. Why are we having this discussion? It's going nowhere.
Which is fine, doesnt change the fact Adam who directed Kong yet to quote the GxK Novel and its statements of events. When that happens you will have a point.
He literally took events from the last novel and included them in this film with "The Monster that ate a star" lmfao. Not to mention again, Legendary approves the novels and Greg says they're canon. You don't have a leg to stand on to say if I have a point or not. So if legendary has gone through and approved the novels, it means they're on board with The statements of Evo Gz > Thermo, or Shimo > Ghidorah and none of those contradict what's shown on film.
If she is as powerful as you proclaim she is and power scale her to hurting Evolve Godzilla and Shimo and being above Ghidorah, then this should never happen to her.
I don't know, I saw her Webbing up Ghidorah (he couldn't escape just like the apes in GxK) and beating Rodan.
He was escaping fine biting the web off, until a second later Godzilla bullrush the distracted Ghidorah. It no different than Spider man webbing the eyes of Hulk really.
Why would they? They are a large company of many people. I am going by the fact movies are the main source of canon and Novels written by a secondary author who has nothing to do with the films does not take precedence over the films
If it was wrong and Headcanon like you say it was they would've called it false info. But they didn't.
Kong and Godzilla both can survive the magical energy of gravity inversion which the novel states speed had magically speed up while time visibly slowed from the speed. All before snapping back with a worlds of gravity slamming you in a instant. Novel character describes it in hyperbole/literal terms as "Like a Volkswagon hitting a black hole." Something Kong and Godzilla can experience all day long with no issues.
Kong is Blackhole durable! Confirm. Its stated in Novel the vortex and hitting it is alike a car hitting a black hole. Yeah Im sure thats accurate, the novel said it ;) Clearly the ships in films are black hole durable... well untill the flying snake Titans explode them with their jaws n GvK film.....
Completely Agree It checks out for me
feats support nothing other than Evolve Godzilla is not more durable than GvK version last movie. That is what is supported. Your only proof is the description of planet buster Kong is stronger from toy description not by Legendary or under Legendary at all. Its funny. Even if we play the game of the toy description is accurate the description could be read as just his right arm being stronger as that is what the description was only referring too, not the rest of his body. Its not roof on anything on so many levels.
Why would Godzilla Supercharge, Evolve, then end up being weaker than his 50% self from GvK despite Adam saying he's getting stronger and the novels supporting that too? That's not using logic.
Again, if it were a Kong with the same old weapons he used then it can be called into question. But it isn't. It's a new weapon, with technology above mechagodzilla
You're arguing against Adam, Legendary, Greg, the feats and Implications by claiming An Amped Up Kong knocking down Godzilla is an Anti feat. When it isn't, Now you're backtracking and saying maybe it was just his right arm amped. I'll dumb it down for you.
Godzilla is Supercharged and Evolved. Stronger than GvK Godzilla across the board. In a preparation for War. That is Undeniable.
Kong got negged by GvK Godzilla and did minor damage with the Axe.
Kong with this new weapon that we've never seen before, with Tech more advanced than MG could knock down Evolved Godzilla. He still ends up losing, but it's not nearly as bad as What happens in GvK.
It just means he got stronger. That's an Undeniable fact, if you disagree and think it's an Anti Feat you're going against what Adam, The Movie, and The Novels have been telling and showing you the whole time. In which case good luck trying to tell the movie and Adam Evolved Godzilla is weaker than Base Godzilla because Amped Kong knocked him down. Lmfao you're shameless.
Show a statement where it said Ghidorah was amped
We actually know he amped himself. He absorbed energy and stated to have. Then started kicking ass. Meanwhile your argument is Godzilla getting stronger when his ass is preforming sub par pghyscially vs Kong Soldiers, Mothra Blasts, Scar King, and Kong himself. The only thing proven was his energy levels and beam attacks stated stronger, sure didnt show in film at all by feats though either, but it was stated those two things were amped.
See? no statements. Cuz you never showed one. Just an Implication that lead to your Headcanon.
Performing Sub par when he knocked them away? It would be Sub par if they could actually fight and harm him. Sub par against Skar who felt the need to Run away and got his on weapon taken from him? Sub par against the same Kong he ended up beating? Sub par against the same Mothra that restrained Ghidorah?? They don't even fight in the film and Godzilla doesn't unveil his true power.
again, His energy levels are tied to his Overall Power.
This Godzilla:
is stronger than this Godzilla in every aspect:
Because they made him OD on radiation. That is again, undeniable.
SO, if we know that radiation amount makes him more Powerful, and we have a Godzilla with 20x The radiation amount that'd mean he's stronger than Supercharged and Thermo (The novels confirm this) and if you disagree you'd have to take it up with the films established lore.
Considering the Gauntlet is Mechagodzilla tech it makes sense it can hurt Evolve Godzilla physically since Evolve Godzilla is not stat wise stronger than GvK version was.
More Advanced than the MG tech in GvK. MG doesn't scale.
Saying Evolved Godzilla is not stronger than a weakened Base Godzilla when the movie, Adam, and the novels all say otherwise is the epitome of dumbassery.
Your gifs mean jack shit too, Kong never charged up his glove for Skar and he floored his ass, even took a tooth out. Kong had to charge his glove up twice and hit a full combo on Godzilla to do anything for a few seconds. Then ended up getting subuded seconds later. Then we have the Movie and Novels telling you Kong isn't on Godzilla's level. It's the same case for GvK, Kong knocking Godzilla down back then without doing any damage was not an Anti feat and it isn't an Anti feat this time around.
I address this already. Its sown and no anti feats for it. You claim Evolve Godzilla is stronger in stats of strength and durability. Not shown at all. Unless you scale Scar King and Kong to higher levels, which is also not supported at all. Everything is head canon fan wank to scale everyone higher because you refuse to acknowledge the Evolve Form is just Meltdown Form levels of power minus the Meltdown threat to his body. As movie stated. Everything was design to contain his nuclear energy and the only more powerful thing about GZ in Novel was the Red Spiral Beam. Nothing for Kong, Mothra, Kong Soldiers, or Scar King who was losing to axe Kong before hand was amped in film or novel. Yet all survive the phsycal attacks of GZ and rocked him around with their own attacks fine.
You haven't shown a statement proving Ghidorah was amped. Ghidorah was held down by Mothra far longer than she ever did anything to Shimo or Godzilla in GxK. Nothing about this is Headcanon.
You just admitted he holds more radiation when that was the same shit that made him more powerful in KOTM, and now he can hold 20x What they can. Then we have the novel even making comparisons between them.
Them getting knocked away by attacks from a Godzilla who was focused on Shimo the entire time is not an anti feat. Scylla took Godzilla's attacks just fine in GxK before she got painted across half of Rome. Was that an Anti feat beforehand even though Godzilla can fight and Wound Ghidorah but he can't do the same to Scylla with physical blows? No. Same case here.
This all is debunked lmao. You live in a fantasy world.
You can't debunk established lore tf? KOTM proves my entire point. and I brought it up earlier.
I dont power scale with head canon. feats and statements dont support the physical stats amped at all and my explanations and logic dont require everyone magically getting power amps.
Same case for me. Kong has a new weapon with the most advanced tech yet, and his punches now at least have some sort of effect on Godzilla when charged up and used in a flurry attack. Not only that, but he can take hits better too even if it is reiterated he isn't on Gz's level and we see Godzilla's power later on. Very Logical to assume his stats have increased rather than trying to argue with the Primary canon that Evolved Godzilla is weaker than weakened base Godzilla. Same Case with Ghidorah. There isn't any statements of him getting stronger, or that his energy beam increased, when He bites down on a Power grid introducing a new variable that would make it logical to assume he got stronger. What's up with you? can you just, like, not use your brain every time KOTM is brought into the mix?
@jurance@gangorcaare both right to argue with you that nothing stated his new form is stronger physically than Meltdown GZ, just able to contain the radiation unlike before.
They're arguing with what Mike introduced into canon (good luck with that), not me.
Too bad Monsterverse is not Dragon Ball? Being inspired does not make it the same. How... how are you this damn dense?!
-Radiation makes him more powerful
-They use Radiation to create Meltdown and Thermo Gz
-we are told he's getting stronger preparing for war
-He can hold 20x the Radiation which is a massive number that KOTM couldn't hope to gap
dancing around the truth. Keep doing whatever you need to do to cope.
Too bad the vast am punt of anti feats for Godzilla durability and strength, and lack of statements dont support your headcanon.
Whenever you show Axe Kong knocking out and damaging Evolved Godzilla, then we can talk about Anti feats. Until then, you're just rambling on in a Circle on a point i've debunked already.
They did melt. I did not make this scene up. Not destroying them for CGI sake later does not change they were shown clearly melting and blowing away from pulses before hand lol.
Pulse has already hit Ghidorah, melting his wings but the building in the same vicinity stands tall? Shameful..
Fire Godzilla Nuclear Pulses take out and CGI wise damage the building in the right corner from shockwave. Its heat changing how the building looks with material blasted off. So debunk yet again.
Refer to my screen cap Above.
He was beating Godzilla senseless and taking the suppose 20x more powerful physically Godzilla attacks. Without damage. Clearly physically Evolve Godzilla was not s strong or tough as you imagine with 20x more energy storage in his body.
Ok so logically, Kong got stronger. Because the primary canon (Movie), and Adam says Godzilla got stronger and is preparing for war. Yet you try and say He's weaker than GvK Godzilla which is Absurd.
Same case with Ghidorah getting stronger from a Power grid. Logically, he got stronger even though Godzilla was handing his ass to him prior.
Agree, interesting that Kong in the inconsistent film beat Godzilla unconscious for a few seconds and tank his physical attacks, unless this version of Evo Godzilla is not as strong or durable as you wishfully think. Thus my facts and proof.
No, he isn't, whenever Shimo attacks him he's at her mercy and chooses to play defense, But Godzilla can fight her. Andrews says Godzilla could stop both Shimo and Skar, and Kong is the one seeking his help. Kong could knock Godzilla down in GvK and he still wasn't on his level, there wasn't an inconsistency there and there isn't any now.
I debunk this.
You haven't
I supported this already with proof and logic.
Same case as I did for Kong. But I still have yet to see a statement saying Ghidorah was amped, otherwise its pis!! He magically got stronger like a dragon ball character it must be inconsistent and thus we can dismiss any showings he had on Supercharged Godzilla and we run along with my headcanon of him being base Godzilla level throughout the entire movie!!! See? it works both ways. You use logic and proof, I use logic and proof.
He knocked out Evo GZ meaning Evo GZ is either one of two things....
1) inconsistent, how could kong tank physical blows from Godzilla 20 times stronger? How could a 20x more durable Godzilla be KOed at all?
2) Godzilla 20x power is only energy storage as the scene I clipped states.
Either way....
1. I already addressed this point, and
2. the KOTM Movie supports what I say. 20x The radiation means a Godzilla much stronger than any before.
We seen Kongs glove before in action, its Mecha GZ tech.
No, it went through modifications and is now claimed to be the most advanced tech in the verse yet. Wanna see it again?
Address this hundred different ways now. Ghidorah and Godzilla were pretty even level. Meltdown GZ was beating Ghidorah and only when he absorb the electric grid he beat meltdown GZ. There is actual progression. Unlike Evo GZ who had shit performance vs weaker foes than himself. More so when as you claim his physical stats are 20 times higher which absolutely not supported.
"There is actual progression" same with Kong, you goddamn crayon eater. He's progressing and Getting stronger, Godzilla is progressing and getting stronger, why the fuck are they introducing new weapons n shit for the character's power to be stagnant? Can't believe I'm sitting here needing to say this shit for someone when they should have the brain capacity to figure it out on their own. You Acknowledged it with Ghidorah, but for some reason it's unbelievable with Kong and Godzilla. You're biased and can't argue for shit, like I said before.
Oh wow, the Monarch show made directly by Legendary studios and cost all the money is"soft canon"now but the Novels are not!?
A show what tries to Go against what KOTM, Dominion, Aftershock, KOTM Novel, and Awakening have called canon is exactly that.
Again its almost like the entire Monsterverse is inconsistent. There is a reason people compare Monsterverse lore with Bay Transformers movie lore. Its not super well thought out, just like Showa Era canon. Which is fine, but the show/movies hold priority in a monster verse in universe argument.
Right. So when the movie tells you Godzilla is getting stronger, and established in a prior movie that radiation makes him stronger, now he can hold 20x it means he's stronger overall. But you for some reason seem to wanna go against what you're trying to push. Again, you're a walking contradiction.
I dont need to argue with Greg, when Adam movies show me the proof I need.
Greg only supports what the films say and show. 20x is far higher than anything for KOTM, and to support that the novel says Godzilla's radiation levels are higher than ever recorded.
Says the king of it.
Yes, yes, because I tell people the movies are primary canon, then proceed to argue against them by calling anything that happens in the movie an anti feat in a desperate attempt to keep King Ghidorah relevant against newly introduced top tiers. Makes total sense for someone who can't even stand with what they try and push.
I admitted Evo energy storage and beams > Ghidorah or Meltdown GZ. Just not his strength or durability. Keep up man.
Energy storage fuels his Strength and Dura, KOTM established this, so you're wrong.
Never did. Toy description that is hyperbole in description, not made by Legendary, and can be read in different ways to what it means is not proof lol.
A glove enhancing his strength is not hyperbole, you can't read that in a different light and get a different answer, and legendary doesn't disagree with it. Cut the dumb shit hyperbole argument that you still haven't proved YET.
Sure can. Juice KotM Godzilla/GvK Godzilla durability = Evo Godzilla durability. Checks out.
No. Evo Godzilla durability > KOTM Juiced Godzilla durability > GvK Godzilla durability. That checks out.
No amp ever stated to the durability and strength. Only energy storage and beam power. I proven this with all the feats shown and the fact there is zero statements otherwise.
KOTM Movie established his power grows with the Amount of Radiation he has. Feats show that, and Now Evo Godzilla has 20x the radiation, so he's a great deal stronger. Feats shown that too since he's fighting someone above Any form of Ghidorah.
Ghidorah has no statements proving he got an amp, yet you claim such because of "Logic". Same scenario with Kong.
He has no anti feats to say otherwise. Kinda a issue for you with Evo GZ.
Evo Doesn't have anti feats. Ghidorah got webbed down by Mothra who you think is so much of a problem that it's an anti feat for anyone who gets distracted, or knocked over by her.
Kong has no anti feats to say he isn't Amped. He has Skar king's number the entire fight and Skar seeks to use Shimo on him at every opportunity.
Kinda yeah if you truly believe they are 20 times stronger. That means Godzilla should bench-press and withstand 200,000 tons force since he is able to handle 100,000 tons fine before the 20 times power increase. UNLESS that 20 times power increase as stated in fil only applies to energy storage and beam output.
For the 5th time, the KOTM movie already established radiation makes Godzilla more powerful. It's why nuke amped radiation soaked Boston Gz is stronger than low radiation, oxygen destroyer Attack Godzilla. it's why they used radiation to make him stronger, it's why Godzilla is beefing up on radiation in preparation for a war. You're arguing with Primary Canon and secondary canons that support what the movie is saying and showing.
All she did was web the heads and there is nothing really wrong with that.
All she did was stop Evo Gz from Killing Kong and Distracted Shimo for a few seconds and there is nothing really wrong with that.
I never conceded. Only trolls say stupid shit like "dur you conceded" after I counter your same points time and again. I mean you are straight dropping F Bombs last post because you already lost the argument.
Yeah..That's totally why you decided to stop replying upon me dropping a dookie on your head with tons of facts and logic from within Canon sources. To the point you went from saying Evo was under Supercharged to saying Evo would beat amped Ghidorah. Seems like a concession to me.
My usage of F bombs this time around are only bite backs at you throwing the weirdest bits of contradictory shade and using double standards neither of which have proven enough to debunk my or grey's points.
Have no idea what's going on in this thread, but Godzilla wins. Shimo would not be able to slaughter Ghidorah as easily as Burning G did. And her ice ain't gonna cool him down either when Pink Godzilla can break out of her ice.
Have no idea what's going on in this thread, but Godzilla wins. Shimo would not be able to slaughter Ghidorah as easily as Burning G did. And her ice ain't gonna cool him down either when Pink Godzilla can break out of her ice.
I apologize sincerely for anything said above I'll try not to do it again
Have no idea what's going on in this thread, but Godzilla wins. Shimo would not be able to slaughter Ghidorah as easily as Burning G did. And her ice ain't gonna cool him down either when Pink Godzilla can break out of her ice.
I apologize sincerely for anything said above I'll try not to do it again
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