Did Thor actually move the Nidavellir Rings (MCU)

I hear the only reason Thor moved the rings was because of the mechanism is force multiplier like a pulley or lever. And a series of pulleys can let a person lift a weight they can't lift on their own.

Thor didn't even do it on his own, he essentially acted as an anchor for the ship to pull the rings into motion.

Why?

The initial throw wasn't enough to actually move the mechanism - he settled into his final braced position, the rope was taut with tension, nothing was happening. He told Rocket to Go Faster, and Rocket Went Faster. THEN the mechanism moved, with the only force acting in that direction being the Ship's engines (fully applied, because the rope was taut and secured to the Rings). Thor's throw was meaningless with whatever additional force it added already lost/used when the line went taut, because the ship used wasn't physics-defying Mjolnir, just a ship.

He was an EXCELLENT anchor, though. Very sturdy, didn't slip once he fully engaged. Very good. 10/10, would use as an anchor for massive space construction tugboat activities again.

Kind of. Thor merely took the strain of moving the rings, but he only provided the energy to crack the ice. The Benatar scout pod did the rest, with the ice breaking and the rings moving just a bit, before the mechanism takes over and speed up.

Unfortunately for people's headcanon there are no mechanisms in the forge that helped Thor accomplish his feat.

Even if they are cunning enough to find these mechanisms and fulfill their burden of proof (they aren't), they still cannot counter the fact that the star was no longer powering the forge. So there wouldn't be any energy for those mechanisms to work. That is WHY it froze over in the first place.

The Russos have also specified that it was a feat of godlike strength comparable to the likes of 616 Thor and mythological Hercules, that something only a select few in the MCU could accomplish.

People really hate that Thor got a good feat half a decade ago.

there is no way people people still don’t know how tension works

@unusual_suspect:

The force of the ship pulling had to be equal to the force of Thor pulling back on it.

It depends on how you interpret the scene.

Lol, he clearly did… if it was all rockets pod why didn’t the rope pull out of his weak weak grip?

The Russos also say in the commentary of the scene that this is something very few people in the verse can do, it’s godly, that they were trying to show off his might, and said it was like the trials of Hercules.

@j_normal: Correct, that's what made him an excellent anchor.

But he could exert no more force than the ship pulling provided, and his own attempt using the ship as a hammer wasn't equal to the task, because he had to ask Rocket to go faster (after, again, all the force of his throw had already been found wanting).

The ship itself was pretty damn dinky, IIRC - it was the mini-ship from the Benatar, wasn't it? And its maximum thrust was capable of moving the rings on its own (while Thor is an excellent anchor, it could have been secured to the ring and the task performed by Not-Even-The-Real-Benatar without Thor's help at all).

Whatever the Russos intended, they didn't succeed on making the feat particularly godly given the presentation, because it could presumably be done by any properly-secured psuedo-tugboat Space Escape Pod that comes along.

So yes, its fair to say that Thor's strength as an anchor was equal to that needed to move the rings. He is, indeed, a very good anchor. His throwing strength, though, was beaten handily by a detachable mini-ship.

@unusual_suspect: anchoring those massive rings alone was obviously a "godly" feat and easily one of the higher strength feats in the mcu. To claim the Russo's failed in that presentation is pure cope and frankly laughable nonsense

@rajjarsalt:

uhmm

canon mos novel ( the basis for the screenplay) states a weakened superman enduring the world engine feat was. HERCULEAN task.

thor helped anchor .the main anchor was the ring he was standing oin. the forge was on before the ice broke. your wanking has been debunked mu,ltiple times and yet you still regurgitate it.

copium

@unusual_suspect:

wasnt thor only securing the anchor? meaning the real anchor was the ring that he was standing on.

Anchors achieve holding power either by "hooking" into theseabed, or mass, or a combination of the two. thor hooked into the ring he was standing on.

also the feat here is wanked by mcu stans. he struggled with 15 ton battle chains( worked out with them) and a 200 ton boulder. ( russos said fat thor was at his strongest)you can not build mass with weights at less than 1 percent of your max. you can tone, but you cant build mass that way,

@death4bunnies: @rajjarsalt:

it looks like he was just trying to unfreeze the mechanism. At no point does he directly interact or push on the rings

At every point he does. That's what his legs are doing

And if he breaks the ice that is strong enough to prevent those rings from moving on their own, then that gives him the same level of strength

Lol eat shit organic, I am still your master...since you have claimed the novel is canon, you have made your bed...and I shall make sure you lie in it!

Clark is pinned by the gravity that existed on Krypton and exhausts his powers fighting it back.

Seems like there is a central gear that’s spinning regardless of the rings by this shot. I mean, I see the frozen central gear spinning, but not the rings Thor supposedly moved

But this is blatantly contradicted by what's said on-screen.

Rocket: I don't think you get the scientifics here. These rings are gigantic. You wanna get them moving...You're gonna need something a lot bigger to yank 'em loose.

Thor: Leave that to me.

Rocket explicitly says that his pod cannot move the rings. Thor says he'll take care of that. Clear comparison by screenwriters that concedes Thor's superiority. If the pod "beat Thor handily" it would have broken his grip. But it didn't.

The summation of forces goes like this

Thor's grip >= Rocket's pod propulsion

Thor's throw + Rocket's pod propulsion = Thor's grip + legs pressing the rings

Yes, cope

Certainly because a certain Kryptonian couldn't do this in his dreams!

DCEU alts just love copium don’t they?

People still coping about this feat 5 years later ? Wow

B-But ice mechanism 😥

Honestly this is the same principle Thor uses to swing his hammer

Think of that kind of strength behind Mjolnir

What's funny is they use the same logic for him forcing open the star's iris. Something something there's a mechanism even though the mechanism broke etc

Yeah, because he already did better with tectonic plates 😜

He didn't. If he was capable of doing that he wouldn't struggle with basically every other strength feat he has

@DammeFavour:

Literally an on screen feat of him resisting the pull of the ship

@j_normal: relevance?

@DammeFavour:

If you paid attention to physics grade school to high school Thor is pulling on the rope with the same force the ship is pulling on the rings

@j_normal: lol....physics also says breaking the ice obstructing the mechanism doesn't equal moving the actual structure.

Refer to my first statement, if he was capable of moving something as big as a moon, he wouldn't be struggling with fractions of that weight

And yes, I know how an anchor works

@DammeFavour:

the Structure has to move for the Ice to break my guy. Thats just common sense.

but do you know how grip strength works?

@j_normal: no it doesn’t. The ice around the mechanism has to break first. You do understand that mechanism is what was frozen right? Immediately the ice was cleared, the rings started moving on their own.

Again, I know how an anchor works, still didn’t move the rings. thor could have literally been replaced by tying the ship to that stuff and would have achieved the same result

@DammeFavour:

What force is being applied to the ice to make it move? Again this is just common sense my guy.

Okay but it wasnt was it? It was being held by Thor… who needed a grip strong enough to prevent the rope from leaving his hands.

Honestly I don’t lnow if you’re being intentionally obtuse you genuinely don’t understand physics.

What is said, and what happens, are indeed contradictory. Fascinating which you prefer.

I get that the Russos intended something other than what they actually showed us, but they fucked up their physics, and failed to actually make Thor's throw relevant to the feat of moving the ring. That's rough, buddy. But that's also the physics they decided to show, because they needed an extra bit of "Have you tried giving it 110%? OK, that did it!" scene chewing. In doing so, they changed the nature of the feat itself.

Thor is, indeed, an excellent anchor, but that's literally the only thing he contributed to the feat AS IT WAS PRESENTED ON SCREEN.

Edit: I like MCU more than the DCEU. I prefer Thor to many (but not all) MCU characters. I prefer serious Thor (Thor 1 and the Avengers movies' Thor) to silly Thor.

I just don't like him enough to lie about what the feat actually shows, on screen.

He did move the rings.

No mental gymnastics from dceu pseudo intellectual s will ever change that.

The feat is legit people, that is a given. But at the same time it's just an outlier at best because its inconsistent with his other showings and he has never repeated a similar strength feat again.

@unusual_suspect: Does raj even realize that once Thor becomes the anchor it fully counters the force from Thor throwing the pod? Once he stops moving that stops the ship from moving. The only force after that which is acting upon him is the force from the pod.

It's Newtons third law.

@ironandfire: dude your never gonna convince them that it wasnt a strength feat or that it was an outlier, no matter how much proof or science your show because than you will be taking away thors greatest feat, and they cant have that.

Obviously not

@unusual_suspect: as mentioned to iron and quoting "dude your never gonna convince them that it wasnt a strength feat or that it was an outlier, no matter how much proof or science your show because than you will be taking away thors greatest feat, and they cant have that"

Rocket also literally speaks about loosening the rings to make them move, but MCU fans twist it to moving the rings directly. And it was one ring, the rest kinda moved on their own after the ice was broken, further proving the loosening fact.

@macleen:

Its not about moving the rings directly its about how much force was pulling on Thor.

I have no clue how you people think the force is being distributed to the ice to make it break.

So I’ll ask again what force is being applied to thenice to make it break?

@rjr:

I agree its an outlier but the question was did he move the rings? In reality it should be how much force was Thor pulling against.

Newton's third law and laws of tension states it would have to be the same as the ship.

Second you have to prove Thor wasn't applying any strength to the ship through the rope or that not muscle groups were at work when bare minimum his grip/wrist muscles were required to hold the rope. Which is ridiculous.

Third “he only broke the ice” begs the question what force was pushing or pulling against the ice or what force was the ice resisting. If the rings are at rest or aren’t producing enough force to shatter the ice without resistance then the don’t move. So I’ll ask you what force was pushing against the ice to make it break and where was that force generatesd

Lol it's not even Thor's greatest strength feat, him directly scaling to Hela, breaking her grip multiple times, scaling to and beating Hulk, overpowering the thrust of the Benatar, Resisting the pull of the Bifrost are all greater strength feats.

In case people weren’t paying attention to net force in 4th grade or 5th grade.

I can’t wait to hear the explanation for what force was breaking the Ice.

@j_normal: First off, drop the condescension. You obviously don't even understand full what people are talking about when they say he moved the mechanism. It means that Rocket is pulling Thor but they only move a section of Nedavelli (MECHANISM) that breaks the ice which in turn allows the rings to unlock and rotate. This wouldn't require Thor or the pod to move the rings as dialogue already makes it clear that the little pod can't. No one is refuting the fact that as an anchor whatever tension is created by the pod acts equally on both ends, including Thor. That force acting on Thor when he is an anchor is both a strength and durability feat. Do I need to explain to you how a sea anchor for ship in the ocean has no strength but just durability from breaking yet is fully capable of its primary function of anchoring the ship? I guess I just did. It's the fact that it's not necessary to have to move the entirety of the rings. He literally can just be moving a section (mechanism) that breaks the ice and allows the rings to rotate open. Considering there is nothing showing how nedavellir got stuck or how it was closed, I don't know how you can refute that as a possibility.

Also, why would these engineering god of dwarves capable of creating some of the greatest weapons in the universe design a forge where they needed to exert billions of pounds of force just to open and close it? Why is it that the Iris was going to open on its own without the aid of Thor until Eitri informs Thor that the MECHANISM for opening it is malfunctioning... most likely because Thor just broke it by over-riding it manually with the pod to break some ice.... a similar mechanism that he then holds open on his own? Just dying too to hear some ridiculousness of "oh well they need equal force to move the rings". Yep, because a magical forge located in the depths of space that holds a dying neutron star in it definitely gets moved time and time again by a team of dwarves manually. Oh wait, they only needed to move the opening mechanism... twice... I can do condescension too.

There is a literal source of immense energy in the neutron star yet that continual output of energy is in no way harnessed just to help open and close these monstrous rings... yeah that is so believable from an engineering and efficiency standpoint. Yikes. They just need Thor and a space pod that barely fits two people to come along and move mountain sized rings every time it malfunctions. Ok.