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    Franklin is the son of Reed Richards and Sue Storm, also known as Mr. Fantastic and Invisible Woman of the Fantastic Four. Franklin is an Omega-level mutant with reality-warping abilities; even at a young age he is one of the most powerful beings in the Universe.

    Classic Franklin Richards/Psi-Lord's Telepathy

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    Franklin Richards the son of Reed Richards aka Mister Fantastic and Susan Storm aka The Invisible Woman of the Fantastic Four was born with unlimited cosmic potential that manifested mostly as telepathy and telekinesis until much later when his powers were revealed to reality manipulation.

    Note: This thread only covers Franklin's telepathic/psychic abilities from the beginning (Early 70's) up until Psi-Lord (Mid 90's) It's my first psychic respect thread so don't be afraid to read the scans if something doesn't make sense

    #Pre Cosmic Radiation Exposure:

    Franklin was born with mutant powers that were for the most part latent and would've fully activated once he was old enough like most mutants but despite this he showed early signs of telepathy as an infant...

    Fantastic Four #107
    Fantastic Four #107

    Franklin senses Sue approaching while she's invisible

    Fantastic Four #130
    Fantastic Four #130

    Franklin telepathically wakes up Thing while he's unconscious

    Fantastic Four #134
    Fantastic Four #134

    Franklin telepathically controls ants

    #Post Cosmic Radiation Exposure:

    In Fantastic Four #141 Franklin's powers gets unlocked when Annihilus exposes him to massive amounts of cosmic radiation

    Fantastic Four #141
    Fantastic Four #141
    Fantastic Four #141

    Franklin reaches Reed Richards' mind and shows him galaxies, endless stars and the universe

    Fantastic Four #141
    Fantastic Four #141

    Franklin's powers threatens to cause a blast of psychic force said to be strong enough to kill every living creature in the solar system until Reed's weapon rendered him comatose

    Fantastic Four #150

    A few months later Ultron 7'5 attacks a group of heroes with a psychic assault that wakes Franklin from his coma, Franklin then proceeds to unknowingly overload and defeat Ultron

    Fantastic Four Annual #14
    Fantastic Four Annual #14

    While asleep Franklin makes a snake sleep on his lap

    Fantastic Four Annual #14
    Fantastic Four Annual #14

    Franklin subconsciously frees the entire town of New Salem, including Agatha Harkness from Nicholas Scratch's mind control

    Fantastic Four Annual #14

    Franklin frees the Fantastic Four from Nicholas Scratch's mind control

    Fantastic Four #216

    Franklin psi-blasts Blastaar

    Fantastic Four #237
    Fantastic Four #237

    Franklin psi-blasts Spinnerette

    #With Psi-Blocks:

    Some time later Franklin subconsciously ages himself to an adult with his full power now unlocked, After realizing this, Franklin reverts himself back to an infant but places psi-blocks in his mind to keep his powers dormant until he's older due to his powers being too dangerous

    Fantastic Four (1961) #245

    A while later Venom's symbiote tries to hypnotize Franklin and managed to weaken the psi-blocks, With the psi-blocks being weakened Franklin regained a small amount of his powers in the form of precognitive dreams, mental detection and dream casting/astral projection

    Amazing Spider-Man #260
    Amazing Spider-Man #260
    Fantastic Four #277

    Franklin badly injures an amped Mephisto in his realm with a blast (Doctor Strange said Mephisto was amped a thousand fold) then he shatters Mephisto's soul into soul fragments (The psi-blocks didn't effect Franklin's powers because they were in his physical body and doesn't affect his soul in Mephisto's realm)

    Power Pack #22

    Franklin astral projects from earth to Snarkworld that's light-years away

    Power Pack #23

    Franklin astral projects from the Avengers Mansion to the Power Pack's house, said to be a couple of blocks away

    Power Pack #24
    Power Pack #24

    Franklin telepathically calls Friday from somewhere in space (Friday is a ship with a brain)

    Power Pack #24

    Franklin astral projects from somewhere in deep space directly to Kofi's location on Snarkworld

    Power Pack #26
    Power Pack #26

    Franklin astral projects from space somewhere near Snarkworld to the Avengers Mansion on earth

    Fantastic Four Vs X-Men #2
    Fantastic Four Vs X-Men #2

    Franklin astral projects from the Baxter Building (Manhattan) to Scotland

    Fantastic Four Vs X-Men #3
    Fantastic Four Vs X-Men #3

    Franklin astral projects from the Baxter Building (Manhattan) to Latveria

    Fantastic Four #301
    Fantastic Four #301

    Franklin astral projects from the Baxter Building to somewhere in upstate NY

    Fantastic Four #301

    Franklin astral projects from the Baxter Building to Mad Thinker's laboratory at an unknown location

    Fantastic Four #301

    Franklin astral projects from Wizard's warehouse to the Baxter Building

    Fantastic Four Annual #20
    Fantastic Four Annual #20

    Franklin overpowers Mephisto in his realm until Mephisto teleports Franklin and Reed out of his dimension

    Power Pack #33
    Power Pack #33

    Franklin astral projects from the Baxter Building to the Power Pack's house that's several miles away

    Fantastic Four #327
    Fantastic Four #327

    Franklin KO's Klaw with a mind thrust although this could potentially be telekinesis

    Power Pack #48
    Power Pack #48

    Franklin telepathically communicates with a dying dolphin

    Power Pack #48

    Franklin telepathically locates the Power Pack's parents

    Power Pack #48

    Franklin empathically links with a dying dolphin in his sleep

    Power Pack #49
    Power Pack #49

    Franklin says dolphins can talk to him in his head

    Power Pack #49
    Power Pack #49

    Franklin allows a dolphin to communicate with the Power Pack through him.

    Power Pack #50
    Power Pack #50

    Franklin manifests his astral projection through a force field

    Power Pack #52

    Franklin astral projects from a ship in space to a space station in an unknown location twice

    Power Pack #56
    Power Pack #56

    Franklin astral projects from the Baxter Building to the Power Pack's house

    Excalibur #29
    Excalibur #29

    Franklin's astral projection separates Phoenix (Rachel Summers), Nightmare and Alex Power into separate beings after Nightmare merged them into one being

    Excalibur #29
    Excalibur #29

    Franklin's astral form intercepts Phoenix's attack and tries to take over her body which causes their vast cosmic energies to converge and cause a massive explosion that takes out Nightmare and frees Rachel from Nightmare's control

    Marvel Super Heroes #6

    Franklin telepathically senses creatures attacking people over a distance and astral projects to the location

    #Without Psi-Blocks:

    After the warlord Occulus tried to steal Franklin's powers he inadvertently destroyed the psi-blocks in Franklin's mind

    Fantastic Four #365, #366
    Fantastic Four #374

    Franklin and Agatha Harkness' wills clash on multiple planes of reality until Agatha eventually wins thanks to her wisdom and experience

    Fantastic Four #375

    Franklin senses his parents are in danger on the moon from earth, Franklin and Agatha Harkness' wills clash on every plane of existence again until Franklin wins by psi-blasting Agatha. Narration also states that no child ever born from woman ever possessed the terrifying potential or destructive power of Franklin

    Fantastic Four (1961) #376
    Fantastic Four (1961) #376

    Franklin psi-blasts Nathaniel Richards, Nathaniel states that even though his Psi-Armor was specially made to withstand Franklin's psychic blasts he barely survived that blast, Nathaniel also states that Franklin's powers grows stronger by the moment and that he hasn't learned to focus himself

    #Psi-Lord:

    Due to Franklin's growing powers threatening the entire timeline Nathaniel Richards took him to a dimension between timelines known as Elsewhen where he was taught to better control and focus his powers, He also received a Psi-Armor that can help him keep his powers in check. With Franklin now a teenager known as Psi-Lord he went back to Earth 616 the exact moment his infant-self got abducted

    Fantastic Four Annual #26
    Fantastic Four Annual #26

    Franklin telepathically persuades an angry Thing to go on a vacation

    Fantastic Four (1961) Annual #26

    Franklin telepathically prevents Dreadface from merging with Thing's consciousness, He says he has to force them apart strand by psychic strand but he also has to be very careful not to leave Thing braindead. Dreadface also tries to blind Franklin with psychic feedback during all this

    Fantastic Four #379
    Fantastic Four #379

    Franklin forcefully rips an image of someone from Human Torch's mind

    Fantastic Four #381
    Fantastic Four #381

    Franklin telepathically senses a creature is amassing it's power to attack while he's wearing his Psi-Armor (His Psi-Armor greatly weakens his powers)

    Fantastic Four #384
    Fantastic Four #384

    Franklin states he can easily peal away the layers of conscious thought

    Fantastic Four #384
    Fantastic Four #384

    Franklin psi-blasts Human Torch, Thing and Lyja. Thing and Human Torch both have strong wills that has made them resistant to mental attacks and Onslaught found it difficult to affect Lyja's mind telepathically under the same writer's pen

    Fantastic Four #387

    Franklin telepathically attacks Ant-Man

    Fantastic Four #388
    Fantastic Four #388

    Franklin telepathically makes Thing look like a skrull to a past version of himself

    Fantastic Four #388
    Fantastic Four #388

    Franklin telepathically communicates with a group of heroes over a distance

    Fantastic Four (1961) #389
    Fantastic Four (1961) #389

    Franklin telepathically summons Huntara while he's outside of time and space.

    Fantastic Four (1961) #391

    Franklin senses his mother "dying" while they are in separate timelines.

    Fantastic Force (1994) #3
    Fantastic Force (1994) #3

    Franklin probes a man's mind.

    Fantastic Force (1994) #4

    Franklin telepathically screens the perceptions of people around him so they perceive him with regular clothes.

    Fantastic Force (1994) #4

    After Franklin telepathically connects with an Adaptoid it begins to copy his powers but loses control and lashes out at the entire city of Manhattan and shares Franklin's thoughts and feelings with the inhabitants of Manhattan and the theirs with him, Franklin then proceeds to temporarily contains the Adaptoid's power until he blasts the Adaptoid into a void of non existence.

    Fantastic Force (1994) #6
    Fantastic Force (1994) #6

    Franklin telepathically senses someone that's described as a living bolt of lightning is a psycho savant.

    Fantastic Four (1961) #400

    Franklin psi-scans a battlefield of dozens of Celestials and Watchers for Uatu, Although he strains he finds Uatu. Narration states Franklin possesses one of the most powerful telepathic minds on earth (The writer of the book Tom DeFalco was the Editor in Chief of Marvel at the time, So this statement was basically word of god at the time.)

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    Franklin forcefully enters Uatu's mind for a moment but gets kicked out by Uatu.

    Fantastic Four (1961) #400
    Fantastic Four (1961) #400

    Franklin later reveals he learned Aron's entire plans while he was mind-linked with Uatu.

    Fantastic Four (1961) #400
    Fantastic Four (1961) #400

    Franklin also leeched information about the Celestials from Uatu's mind that he psi-links with Sue.

    Fantastic Four (1961) #400
    Fantastic Four (1961) #400

    The information Franklin downloaded into Sue's mind was enough guide them through the Celestial Exitar's body to it's brain.

    Fantastic Four (1961) #400
    Fantastic Four (1961) #400

    Franklin with his armor one-shots Annihilus with a psi-blast. (Franklin's armor severely weakens his powers)

    Fantastic Force (1994) #9
    Fantastic Force (1994) #9

    Franklin expands his consciousness until it brushes the whole of humanity to locate Nathaniel Richards.

    Fantastic Force (1994) #9

    Franklin forcefully enters Human Torch's mind and shows him their shared memories which removes Maximus' mind control over him.

    Fantastic Force (1994) #9

    Franklin holds his powers together after Nathaniel Richards creates a rift in his psyche. Franklin describes it as his mind is coming apart at the seams.

    Fantastic Four: Atlantis Rising (1995) #2
    Fantastic Four: Atlantis Rising (1995) #2

    Franklin psi-scans the entire city of Atlantis for Nathaniel Richards.

    Fantastic Four: Atlantis Rising (1995) #2

    Even while Franklin's consciousness was separated into four personalities he frees his allies from Morgan Le Fay with the Ebony Blade using the power of a thousand minds and sends the thousands of tortured souls back to the Stygian Realm overwhelming Morgan Le Fay in the process.

    Fantastic Four (1961) #413
    Fantastic Four (1961) #413

    Franklin keeps Black Bolt in a state of mental stasis.

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    #2  Edited By PyroFN

    Wow, I didn’t expect you going the extra mile with regular Franklin. I would have been fine with just PsiLord feats, but I ain’t complaining.

    Great job, I will take a look. Also @koays, @geekryan, and @marvelfan1992, since this will be useful info.

    Edit: God dang, this is impressive. This will need, super consideration as to where Psi-Lord fits. Also, I figured out why some of regular 616 Franklin is here and it’s smart. I applaud and thank you for this thread.

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    #3  Edited By Scarlet_Wiccan
    @pyrofn said:

    Wow, I didn’t expect you going the extra mile with regular Franklin. I would have been fine with just PsiLord feats, but I ain’t complaining.

    Great job, I will take a look. Also @koays, @geekryan, and @marvelfan1992, since this will be useful info.

    Thanks!

    Regular Franklin's feats before Psi-Lord counts as Psi-Lord's feats since Psi-Lord is basically 616 Franklin but as a teen.

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    @pyrofn: I'd like to hear your opinions before I give in my input. How would you rank him?

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    @geekryan: This might need serious consideration with more than just me. Franklin has got great statements and some really impressive feats, which is why I can’t simply say now.

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    This will need to be discussed

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    #8  Edited By marvelfan1992

    @pyrofn said:

    @koays: Hell yes it will.

    So around how good is he compared to other telepaths?

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    #9  Edited By PyroFN

    @marvelfan1992: We’re still gauging, but mid tier seems to be the consensus. Where in mid tier is not yet decided.

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    @pyrofn: Sorry to bother but have you come to a conclusion yet?

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    #11  Edited By PyroFN

    @scarlet_wiccan: I believe he is a decent telepath, but his feats are not anything other psychics haven’t done before. His most signifying trait is that he can power through most challenges through sheer force of will by the looks of his feats.

    Needless to say, the feats he has sound great in a vaccum where the landscape of telepathy is almost non-existent in the F4 comics beyond cosmic beings. So, in essence, he has no real competition in that aspect, yet put him in line with the X-Men’s line-up and rogue’s gallery filled with psychics or telepaths outside of that, and you get a different story:

    •Telepathically Projecting across space for galaxies spanning has been done by Rachel Summers, Mantis, Moondragon, and Charles Xavier in the past. By scaling of Mantis, that puts a lot of telepaths on that same level, despite lacking that range because as Mantis shows, you don’t necessarily have power with range.

    •Telepathically projecting across time and into other dimensions is the same deal. Jean Grey, Charles Xavier, Rachel Summers, Moondragon, Base Cable, Sersi, Cosmo, Mantis, and Karma have all fallen in one or both categories as far as range goes, with Karma being the lowest of the bunch seen capable of projecting across dimensions.

    •Enough power to destroy the solar system is powerful, but not consistent with the average Psilord portrays. And it is ambiguous to say that Reed Richards thought Franklins telepathic power was capable of destroying the solar system and not just reality warping, telekinesis, or a simple psionic burst. All fall under the sector of psychic abilities that would probably make more sense for solar system destruction than telepathy, imo.

    •Some feats are diving too much into reality warping territory or pure cosmic energy to be fully considered telepathic, like separating the amalgamation Franklin was being absorbed in or Rachel from her possession by causing a cosmic feedback with blending his energies with the Phoenix’ energies. They are great feats, but telepathic might be stretching it when you consider he can still reality warp like others in his astral form, like Nate Grey or Legion could.

    •Separating the mind of Dreadface and Thing is noteworthy, but has been replicated by other telepaths in the past. Jean Grey, Charles Xavier, Rachel Summers, Betsy, and even Storm (as in Ororo Munroe) in Emma Frost’s body. To his credit, these are all powerful psychics (with exception of Storm using a powerful psychics power), but his struggle with it does not spell him to be as good as they are.

    •Planetary telepathy has a laundry list of telepaths, to the point where I don’t think it will be worth listing for how many there are.

    •Interacting with the mind of cosmic entities is something done by a good list of telepaths to Franklin’s credit, but the list still follows: Jean Grey, Charles Xavier, Emma Frost, Rachel Summers, Moondragon, Quentin Quire, Sersi, Cosmo, and Mantis.

    •Psychically affecting Hell Lords is a good feat in a lot of aspects, done by very few telepaths: Charles Xavier, Emma Frost, the 3-In-1 Stepford Cuckoo’s, and Karma.

    •The Morgan LeFay feat is very, very good, but needs more discussing. Needless to say, even if it turns out to be better than the best psychics, it would come off as an outlier.

    This isn’t his entire feats list, but it’s the just of what stands out the most. A lot of his feats are very basic bare bones and the very two psychic fights he does have are with Agatha Harkness. Not a bad psychic and not a bad feat, but not the most impressive when comparing her feats.

    So overall, he in my eyes, he is a mid-tier somewhere below Teen Jean Grey, (still deciding where) based on the fact that a lot of what he can do consistently has been done to a better degree by Teen Jean, she has more psychic fights with more experienced opponents, and her only caveat are that his absolute best feats that could be considered outliers are the only ones that she cannot replicate.

    But consistency is more of a factor as to what a psychic’s placement is with me in aspects of both power and skill. If they lack in one area, that usually affects their ranking. Franklin is lacking in the skill area and his power feats are not good enough to carry him beyond the lower mid tier ranking.

    People that are in mid tier would be characters like (in no particular order): Base level Cable, Quentin Quire, Teen Jean Grey, the 3-in-1 Stepford Cuckoo’s, Madelyne Pryor, Pre-Shaman Nate Grey, Xorn Jean Grey, Sersi, Mantis, Karma, Cosmo the Spacedog, and Gamemaster. There are more, but the overall just is that this tier are where you would put average skill leveled characters with some impressive power showings more noteworthy than low tier. Don’t make any mistakes, low tier isn’t a bash to anyone in that tier, but it’s a stiff competition of telepaths. Pretty much nearly everyone in mid tier has some form of planetary grade range and if they don’t, they usually have good psychic combat experience, are ones who scale off of powerful telepaths (whether from high or other mid tiers) to make the criteria, or are just pure powerhouses that are carried solely by that power.

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    #13  Edited By Scarlet_Wiccan

    @pyrofn:

    Thanks for the analysis and I can mostly agree but I think you're underselling the fact that he has way less anti-feats than most psychics and in just about two years of appearances Psi-Lord demonstrated pretty notable TP.

    In terms of power Psi-Lord was way more powerful than child Franklin and as a child he already stomped an amped Mephisto that had Strange at his mercy, KO'ed Klaw who was completely immune to Cable's TP, He's breached his Psi-Armor's defenses that was made to withstand and absorb his powers but he used his TP through it on multiple occasions, plus he has a statement that says he's one of the most powerful telepathic minds on earth from Marvel's editor in chief at the time.

    In terms of skill I agree he's not the best but considering Psi-Lord he's trained extensively since childhood to control his powers and even as a child did stuff a kid wouldn't know how to do without some sort of skill, allowing a dolphin to communicate with people or to separate beings' astral forms including Phoenix Rachel who was at Nightmare's mercy or to hold his own against Agatha Harkness who has years of experience while Franklin practically didn't even know what he was doing.

    Most telepaths have a lot of anti-feats (human psi-shields block their TP, struggle to psi-link across short distances) that Franklin just doesn't have, I also don't see a lot of telepaths stomping an amped Mephisto that Strange couldn't fight or scanning the minds of multiple Watchers and Celestials that have basically infinite memories.

    But anyway I appreciate your breakdown

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    @pyrofn said:

    @scarlet_wiccan: I believe he is a decent telepath, but his feats are not anything other psychics haven’t done before. His most signifying trait is that he can power through most challenges through sheer force of will by the looks of his feats.

    Needless to say, the feats he has sound great in a vaccum where the landscape of telepathy is almost non-existent in the F4 comics beyond cosmic beings. So, in essence, he has no real competition in that aspect, yet put him in line with the X-Men’s line-up and rogue’s gallery filled with psychics or telepaths outside of that, and you get a different story:

    •Telepathically Projecting across space for galaxies spanning has been done by Rachel Summers, Mantis, Moondragon, and Charles Xavier in the past. By scaling of Mantis, that puts a lot of telepaths on that same level, despite lacking that range because as Mantis shows, you don’t necessarily have power with range.

    •Telepathically projecting across time and into other dimensions is the same deal. Jean Grey, Charles Xavier, Rachel Summers, Moondragon, Base Cable, Sersi, Cosmo, Mantis, and Karma have all fallen in one or both categories as far as range goes, with Karma being the lowest of the bunch seen capable of projecting across dimensions.

    •Enough power to destroy the solar system is powerful, but not consistent with the average Psilord portrays. And it is ambiguous to say that Reed Richards thought Franklins telepathic power was capable of destroying the solar system and not just reality warping, telekinesis, or a simple psionic burst. All fall under the sector of psychic abilities that would probably make more sense for solar system destruction than telepathy, imo.

    •Some feats are diving too much into reality warping territory or pure cosmic energy to be fully considered telepathic, like separating the amalgamation Franklin was being absorbed in or Rachel from her possession by causing a cosmic feedback with blending his energies with the Phoenix’ energies. They are great feats, but telepathic might be stretching it when you consider he can still reality warp like others in his astral form, like Nate Grey or Legion could.

    •Separating the mind of Dreadface and Thing is noteworthy, but has been replicated by other telepaths in the past. Jean Grey, Charles Xavier, Rachel Summers, Betsy, and even Storm (as in Ororo Munroe) in Emma Frost’s body. To his credit, these are all powerful psychics (with exception of Storm using a powerful psychics power), but his struggle with it does not spell him to be as good as they are.

    •Planetary telepathy has a laundry list of telepaths, to the point where I don’t think it will be worth listing for how many there are.

    •Interacting with the mind of cosmic entities is something done by a good list of telepaths to Franklin’s credit, but the list still follows: Jean Grey, Charles Xavier, Emma Frost, Rachel Summers, Moondragon, Quentin Quire, Sersi, Cosmo, and Mantis.

    •Psychically affecting Hell Lords is a good feat in a lot of aspects, done by very few telepaths: Charles Xavier, Emma Frost, the 3-In-1 Stepford Cuckoo’s, and Karma.

    •The Morgan LeFay feat is very, very good, but needs more discussing. Needless to say, even if it turns out to be better than the best psychics, it would come off as an outlier.

    This isn’t his entire feats list, but it’s the just of what stands out the most. A lot of his feats are very basic bare bones and the very two psychic fights he does have are with Agatha Harkness. Not a bad psychic and not a bad feat, but not the most impressive when comparing her feats.

    So overall, he in my eyes, he is a mid-tier somewhere below Teen Jean Grey, (still deciding where) based on the fact that a lot of what he can do consistently has been done to a better degree by Teen Jean, she has more psychic fights with more experienced opponents, and her only caveat are that his absolute best feats that could be considered outliers are the only ones that she cannot replicate.

    But consistency is more of a factor as to what a psychic’s placement is with me in aspects of both power and skill. If they lack in one area, that usually affects their ranking. Franklin is lacking in the skill area and his power feats are not good enough to carry him beyond the lower mid tier ranking.

    People that are in mid tier would be characters like (in no particular order): Base level Cable, Quentin Quire, Teen Jean Grey, the 3-in-1 Stepford Cuckoo’s, Madelyne Pryor, Pre-Shaman Nate Grey, Xorn Jean Grey, Sersi, Mantis, Karma, Cosmo the Spacedog, and Gamemaster. There are more, but the overall just is that this tier are where you would put average skill leveled characters with some impressive power showings more noteworthy than low tier. Don’t make any mistakes, low tier isn’t a bash to anyone in that tier, but it’s a stiff competition of telepaths. Pretty much nearly everyone in mid tier has some form of planetary grade range and if they don’t, they usually have good psychic combat experience, are ones who scale off of powerful telepaths (whether from high or other mid tiers) to make the criteria, or are just pure powerhouses that are carried solely by that power.

    Agreed.

    I don't see him beating Teen Jean.

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    @scarlet_wiccan: I hear what your saying. But again you have a character who exist in a bubble.

    PsiLords powers being restrained by the armor but still having him overpower it is impressive.....in a bubble.

    Teenage Jean Grey however was completely blocked off from her powers as a telepath by Xavier. She had multiple blocks put into her mind by him and the memory of being a telepath erased....still she managed to not only overpower those blocks on multiple occasions but also at one point through sheer force of will overcome those blocks and place a psionic shield around Scott that protected his mind from a mindwipe that erased Xavier, Magneto, and teenage Emma Frost memories of a fight with cosmically powered Evolutionaries.... Thats a 16yr old with no knowledge of her powers overcoming blocks from the most powerful telepath on the planet and protecting someone from a mind wipe that erased 2 of the strongest psychics knowledge of an event AND the guy with arguably the strongest psychic defenses in Marvel.

    Take a feat like that and place it up against Psi Lord being blocked by a suit that even the guy who made it didn't think it would work and we have one of the better measures of Franklin's powers being overcome by Pre-telepath Jean. To say nothing of Jean's later encounters with people like Gamesmaster, Bastian etc who even against the ...basically average Jean Grey of the 90s Era where despite being able to block mutations and/or being unbelievably powerful psychics themselves; had their blocks walked thru like it was nothing even when she was drugged.

    So again while 90s Jean would firmly rank in the mid tier if we put her in Franklin's shoes and tried to replicate his feats based on what we've seen her do? She would likely copy 90% of it.

    For us, Mid Tier isn't an insult....Mid Tier just isn't high tier.

    Pre-Shaman Nate Grey is in Mid Tier and he's one of the most powerful psychics, but that's because most of his feats are replicable by the high tier with greater ease and more complexity. For instance child Nate ripping Sinisters astral form from his body and projecting them both into another part of the facility they were in is AMAZING....but even drugged up Emma has astral projected across the country and pulled people out of their bodies to perform complex feats. High/Mid/Low Tier isn't a punishment, it's more of a statement about what your capable of compared to your peers....and by comparison Psi Lord is highly capable...but in an environment where everything he's getting feats off of hasn't ever been near another psychic. When put in a room with people who have turned Omega Level psychics into goo despite not being Omega level themselves? He stands out alot less.

    I just feel like if you put Franklin into the situations that alot of the mid-tiers have been in and gotten feats, he struggles more then they would. And it would hurt him more not being able to do their average stuff then them just not being able to replicate a handful of his high ends.

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    @koays: I can totally understand that he's very limited by the fact that he didn't clash power with a lot of well rounded telepaths but he has Imo a decent amount of indirect comparisons...

    • Child Franklin casually overpowered Ultron who was affecting The Inhumans and Thor that supposedly have some psychic resistance?
    • Child Franklin freed multiple people from Nicholas Scratch's mind control that instantly worked on Agatha Harkness who has briefly shielded Wanda from Dormammu's TP and resisted mental influence that affected Silver Surfer instantly.
    • Child Franklin stomped an amped Mephisto in his realm, Doctor Strange freed Franklin to deal with Mephisto since he couldn't.
    • He's overpowered Mephisto on another instance and Mephisto in his realm.
    • He KO'ed Klaw who was immune to Cable's TP.
    • He separated Nightmare, Rachel and Alex Power's astral forms that Nightmare was merging.
    • He held his own twice against Agatha Harkness without any experience and one-shots her with a psi-blast the second time.
    • He almost killed Nathaniel Richards with a psi-blast who was wearing his Psi-Armor that was specially made to resist his psychic blasts.
    • As Psi-Lord he used his powers through his Psi-Armor multiple times even though it was made to absorb his powers. Without his Psi-Armor he threatened the entire timeline (this is not necessarily just TP but it still shows the Psi-Armor helps him not destroy the timeline and there are also multiple times where he removes the armor to use his TP better).
    • He contained a psychic maelstrom from an Adaptoid that was copying his powers
    • He scanned multiple Watchers and Celestials' minds which has infinite memories and knowledge individually. Telepaths can get overwhelmed by way less complicated minds.
    • He was stated to have one of the most powerful telepathic minds on earth by Marvel's head editor in chief at the time.
    • While his powers were spilt into four, one of them released all souls from the Ebony Blade and this overwhelmed Morgan Le Fay who's a powerful magic user that is supposed to be a psychic?

    Also I'm not comparing him to Jean since she's consistently been a special telepath even since the earlier days.

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    @scarlet_wiccan: Ok...but I can just as easily take a mid tier like the 3 in 1 Stepford Cuckoos and do similar things because in a bubble they sound like the strongest telepaths that exist....but in the end they are still Mid-Tiers.

    The Cuckoos have:

    • Young Irma Cuckoo- Hides from and inserts images into the mind of Exodus (one of the strongest / most skilled telepaths on Earth)
    • Young 3 in 1- Mindrape Belasco (Hell Lord) and dig thru his mind for info on Magik
    • 3 in 1- Invent an attack that breaks down and destroys Legion's mindscape
    • 3 in 1- Destroy Quires Psi form after saying how powerful they've gotten since he froze Emma on Cerebro
    • 3 in 1- Blocks Xavier from using his telepathy to stop the X-Men from fighting Hulk
    • 3in1 Restrained fragments of the Phoenix Force with telepathy, assisted in doing it 2 other times...once with a telepathic leash
    • 3 in 1- Considered to be psychic nukes by Psylocke
    • 3 in 1- Overpowered and slaved Magik, Kitty and a room full of X-Men. Then dragged another psychic into their hivemind.
    • Each one is individually planetary range
    • One Cuckoo: shut down Sage casually (Capable of blocking Nate, Cable, Shadow King level psychics)
    • One Cuckoo: Broke thru Stryfe's helmet and into his mind despite his own TP and his helmet's shielding.
    • 2 young Cuckoos: Overpowered Carrion Crow a mind eating servant of the Chaos King

    Like on it's own it sounds AMAZING but once we start comparing it to the rest of the list it starts to level out.

    The Cuckoos are stated to be among the most powerful telepaths on Earth at one point, but they still aren't even considered "special" like the Omega level telepaths Quire and Teen Jean even though they've dragged them both on seperate occasions.....

    In a bubble? They are the greatest thing ever. But to be fair? They are very solid mid-tiers

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    #18  Edited By Scarlet_Wiccan

    @koays: Thanks for the breakdown, I understand, I never knew the Cuckoos had those type of feats, I always considered them weak-ish psychics due to seeing something like Emma beating 100 of them?

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    #19  Edited By marvelfan1992
    @scarlet_wiccan said:

    @koays: Thanks for the breakdown, I understand, I never knew the Cuckoos had those type of feats, I always considered them weak-ish psychics due to seeing something like Emma beating 100 of them?

    it was 1000. but then that's really more of her kinda wriggling her way in and taking control of the hive from the inside out as opposed to just straight up overpowering them. in a fight. at least IMO

    overall, I tend to agree with what pyro and koays have discussed with regards to franklin.

    nice work for the RT tho! Some of it is a bit iffy though just because he is a powerful reality warper and i think sometimes that plays a part. but otherwise, nice one

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    @scarlet_wiccan said:

    @koays: Thanks for the breakdown, I understand, I never knew the Cuckoos had those type of feats, I always considered them weak-ish psychics due to seeing something like Emma beating 100 of them?

    it was 1000. but then that's really more of her kinda wriggling her way in and taking control from the inside out as opposed to just straight up overpowering them. at least IMO

    overall, I tend to agree with what pyro and koays have discussed with regards to franklin.

    nice work for the RT tho! Some of it is a bit iffy though just because he is a powerful reality warper and i think sometimes that plays a part. but otherwise, nice one

    Thanks!

    Damn, 1000? That's still impressive even if she didn't overpower them.

    During the time covered in my RT Franklin didn't really have reality warping and mostly had just TP and TK around Onslaught's time his powers back got a soft reboot to reality warping and since then he barely ever used TP and TK again.

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    Overlapping analysis Koays and Pyros interpretation of Franklin telepathically has very good points. I can see why they'd place him mid and that's an acceptable assumption since he's low mid to me. Regardless of Jean's specialness this dude is a reality warper and acknowledging any power beyond that is side eyeing. He has been tricking people into believing his non reality warping is not wish fulfillment just like he tricked them into thinking he's a mutant. His feats are over the place because he's a dumb kid with imagination. He's the Dion of Marvel.

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