First off all, i am not a translator, so i am not sure in the first place of if the translations are either thousends or millions. But tbf, that actually doesn´t, if you are a believer of scaling and/or multipliers:
Let us take the most popular statement for their speed fight, as we know the speed between Uriel and Darsh increased:
Gara mentioned that they attack with infinite speed. It is obviously that this is probably more an exaggeration from his side, to say tha their attacks are too fast for him to follow. However, already before timeskip same Gara could catch a literal light beam:
Gallery
Technically you can argue his reaction to it was FTL, because of Quantum speed.
And before someone says thats because of his Magic ability. It isn´t a spell, it is a skill. Big difference in Bastard!! as for the last one you need also comparable skills to keep up with your technique. Plus, before also someone says magic light isn´t SoL, then i have to disappoint you. There is a huge difference of Light that is used by wizards and light that is used by demons and angels, as for angels and demons it is purely naturally:
Gallery
Speaking of keeping up with your technique, even Gara has to see his own attacks, so that they hit the enemy. He only get SoL stuff because probably one ability, but he get also atleast a SoL feat in terms of reaction. There are other characters before timeskip with SoL attacks already, like Dark Schneider his Van War and Gara his own attack:
Gallery
And thats all before multipliers kicked in with Judas Pain for Dark Schneider:
His stats, including his senses become several tenthousend times more powerful^
Makes sense actually that JP gives a multiplier in stats, as Konron before blitzed Darsh with his punch, while Darsh after activating JP could blitz Konron.
Before Judas Pain:
After Judas Pain:
Keep in mind that Dark Schneider reached already FTL speeds when fighting Porno, which was before he got Judas Pain and before he fought Konron:
Ofc here we mix up attack speed, reaction speed, combat speed, and others, but then again Gara couldn´t keep up with their high end speed. Let them attack eachother at the beginning with like you said Mach 11,6, later their combat speed clearly goes beyond FTL speeds.
Your point in this RT is halfway correct, but incomplete. Either because being outdated, or didn´t read Bastard!! often enough. I know people have too much the sonic and supersonic statements from Gara in the head, but you guy shouldn´t forget that Gara and people equal to them fought angels later who would be barley below FTL. Anyway, following your own logic the only verses which are consistent along with such speed are the ones with statements, which means a verse like Dragonball hasn´t even supersonic combat speed, unless official statements are backing up your point. But then again, scaling and multipliers exist, so that shouldn´t be an issue for Bastard!!.
First of all when did Satan said that he can´t replicate the energy to create a universe like god? He only said he can only make in imitation of it. Also that information that Satan created a universe on his own is probably outdated as well:
Satan claimed, or more it was claimed Satan created hell, but in fact it was later stated that the Demon God actually was the one who created hell. But anyway, to give Satan and others the necessary AP isn´t really difficult, unless we ignore statements and scaling:
Unless Uriel and Gabriel are much more powerful then Satanael, they both surpassed the necessary energy level to replicate such a feat. Both, Abigail and Beelzebub are trustworthy characters, having a good encyclopedic knowledge about their verse, so there is no point in questioning his statement. And since we have Goku here, i can even give some Powerlevel for Bastard (Yes, that exist in the verse too).
So for the case people trying to downplay Dark Schneider here, he can be easy argued the same way to universal and beyond, by the same logic other characters in fiction can be argued on that level, despite having no feats (Goku).
But then again, AP doesn´t mean much in a verse like Bastard!!.
So, even if Satan can´t replicate a universe we have people with AP beyond it.
Its great that you mentioned the Databook, who also has souls as archetype and other broken shit, such as the light of angels can destroy on all lower and higher dimensions, or Satan can generate a defense on every space-time level, but sure, use it. Great stuff actually.
Not that it actually matters, as the entire battle when Dispel Bound was nullified was in hell. In hell, someone like Dark Schneider has no physical body:
There is actually no proof that it can be broken by stuff like brute force or overpowering it with physics. The only way to have some sort of "physical", yet unbound by the physical laws would by by wearing the Augoeides armor which angels have, or materialized their Astral body, yet they are not truely physical. The punches and kicks Uriel and Dark Schneider exchanging, directly targeting EA, so irrelevant for physics:
And before someone argues you can exist in hell physically, because humans found a way into it. Not entirely true. We know that the world of Bastard!! works with some sort of karma system, where in which case the human world becomes too corrupted, Demons will materialize, including hell. When the opposite happens, angels materialized and with that we get heaven back, by turning Earth to Eden. That all thanks to the power of humans:
Why do i explain this in context to dispel bound? Well, think about it? They lack of a physical body to interact, while directly targetting Eternal Atoms. There is no "physical" feat which broke Dispel Bound, and when they leave hell, Dispel Bound wasn´t even shown anymore. But one thing is correct. Dispel Bound can be bypassed by some specific abilities, like Satan did with Uriel:
Physical attacks which includes also every energy (For example Ki)that lacks of to affect more abstract bodies will do nothing here significant. But even IF it can be broken, there is another problem, which i will explain in your next point:
First of all, the link is broken, but i guess it contains the Dimensional Hierarchy Description in his spoiler below. That is easy to debunk by the fact that it describe only the human process of dying, not the process of someone who has actually control over Eternal Atoms. I mean, why did he ignore the significant part about Dispel Bound?
You are Ignoring the following points:
Demons/Angels/EA User has to be necessary destroyed astrally and ideally.
Demons and Angels can materialize in the material realm to have a material body, which makes 3 different existence.
The regeneration level is said to be on a space-time level.
His comparison to regular humans, like those scans show are for people who have no control over EA, like that is their natural process to die in Bastard!!:
The statement from Konron that he regenerate to slow and that he would be erased, is taken out of context, because you have to see where the fight actually happened:
I could swear that is probably in the same chapter. Why doesn´t he mentioned it? Ofc if you fight a Demon or Angel in his domain, you not have to destroy the physical body on the material plane if given, to eradicate him. Just destroy his mind and soul on his plane, and he can´t resurrect. Meanwhile fighting on the material plane, will not cause such a problems, as you need the abilities to affect across different dimensions, including higher ones.
The part of Dark Schneider his regeneration being weakened because of DKL and Judas Pain is true, especially since Judas Pain erases basically on all said 3 planes. There is however one thing wrong with. He was actually erased, he didn´t transcend to a new form. Also when that happened, don´t forget it was on the material plane as it was after they broke out of the materialized hell:
Gallery
There is no point by the way to ignore what the Wiseman says, they have more then enough knowledge about scientific aspects in their verse. Arguing he didn´t regenerate, because it happened off-screen, doesn´t mean it didn´t happen. We saw Darsh having regeneration before which can be quick, same with Uriel. We saw his face become a blank page here.
So yeah, the entire part about Eternal Atoms is kinda wrong, or not enough thought about it. You need to erase the opponent on 3 different levels of existence, where atleast one is a higher dimension:
Gallery
There are much more scans, if you need:
Gallery
The magic in Bastard!! actually works beyond those dimensions^
And even if you have magic, you simply can´t affect those entities as Magic is just a transmutated power from the actual demons, who got their power from God:
Gallery
And as if that isn´t even enough those interaction across dimensions is relevant, as we can see when Lucien materialized with an Astral Body down to Earth and faced some Angels, who an ability that affect on different dimensional levels. Lucien countered it with a spell who basically absorbs the power on all different levels as well. Space-Time levels of higher dimensions:
You guys probably wonder, why i tell you that. Well, to destroy Dark Schneider here, you need the abilities to affect on different space-time levels. That doesn´t work with brute force alone ,especially since the Astral World exist before the universe came into existence.
Destroying the universe, would only result in that Dark Schneider can´t regenerate his physical body, but he still has his spirit and soul. He technically can materialize as astral body too, if he want. That should be enough for the start and there is no way to affect the other planes as long they don´t materialized or as long they don´t have the power to manipulate the frequency of their attacks. Plus destroying the material word has zero effect as the other planes exist before the universe was born:
Well, the hypersonic part i already debunked at your first point. I doubt Gara can track infinite speed, but when he can´t track it, it means it goes beyond the standard FTL, which also debunks your Mach 11 or what it was argument for Combat speed. The part with the Augoeides however is true, but that only is based on their movement/travel speed, not to their combat speed as you can see when Gara look at it.
However, as like in every other verse, there are some flaws with, especially when time still moves while Uriel is looking at the battle. As i mentioned before all are different space-time levels of dimensions, so time exist and time moves, except for timestop, where angels can still move.
I don´t buy into infinite anything, that includes other verses, especially shonen either Bastard has a lot infinity statements from different people, also even omnipotent statements from the Angels based on god. Infinit stuff is too iffy, and I can agree with that point atleast, but Gara being only hypersonic is wrong, as he also can operate with SoL attacks and also react to it.
I think that is the very first point, where i can agree with, because it is somewhat accurate, unless i miss something. That feat is often taken often out of context, however at point 2 i already prove that there is another way (Which is even more legit) to get Uriel and Darsh both even before EoS to such a level and beyond.
Also the comparison to god i wouldn´t bring. There exist more universes, in Bastard!! so God isn´t just universal:
Gallery
Not only a multiverse but also a multi-layered structure of higher dimensional planes:
And then again, God created already such places before the universe came even into existence:
If you don´t get the context: Lucifer assissted him by the creation of the universe. Astral beings wouldn´t exist when the universe was that relevant to the higher planes.
7. Base Seraphs flew 7000+ times faster than the speed of light
I mean that is ofc a thing we can debate, but the issue is Uriel was already on the material plane, as he defend the Abyss so that Demons can´t escape. It is unlikely that he teleported to earth, but then again we still have FTL statements, and FTL can be MFTL+ too, as FTL just sait it is faster, and not how much faster. I mean FTL is something what Dragonball gets with Dyspo official the first time too, going by that.
Also as proven in Point 1, they would be even faster by scaling. Your point doesn´t make much sense, unless you go by the DKL and Augoeides, who moves more slow in comparison to their true bodies.
Well, post 1 (Again) disproved that Anthrax is hypersonic, atleast if we talk about her Beam for attack speed. The only point you can argue she isn´t that fast in movement, i mean that makes sense, she blocked attacks out by warping space around her. You also shouldn´t forget that angels can move in frozen time, which speaks a bit for general relativity at the material plane, which technically would be infinite speed, but then again i don´t buy into infinite stuff, i just mention alternative arguments for what evidence exist.
Was it impossible for 3-D Charactes to move with FTL? Who knows, Gara however blocked an SoL/FTL attack from Anthrax. He can also track such speed very well. As for the rest i can agree, by combat or travel speed they are clearly not that fast.
I see her more as multi-continental tbf over time (Like she has a statement how long her army takes to eradicate XX% of the world and then we have the big difference how the map looks today in comparison to how the Map was originally our Real Life original. I can check that part again, but i don´t care about this so much what our lower tiers in Bastard are doing.
Out of your 9 points you brought up, most of them are heavy outdated and should reworked. 1-2 good points, where i ca say, good work. I have no problem with your Blog at all, as long you don´t follow any doublestandards in debates. I don´t think to make a RT or Debunk Thread for a verse that i barley have read would make sense, so i read Bastard atleast 3-4 times. Believe me, if you read it again, you might find some new points ;)
TheHeadmasterXX's comments