Thor
Character » Thor appears in 8623 issues.
Thor Odinson is the All-father of Asgard /God of Thunder, offspring of All-Father Odin & Elder-Goddess Gaea. Combining the powers of both realms makes him an elder-god hybrid and a being of no perceivable limits. Armed with his enchanted Uru hammer Mjolnir which helps him to channel his godly energies. The mightiest and the most beloved warrior in all of Asgard, a staunch ally for good and one of the most powerful beings in the multiverse/omniverse. Thor is also a founding member of the Avengers.
Does Thor have Super-Speed?
In a battle thread recently Thor was mentioned by others to be super fast. Some even compared his speed to Superman.
I have looked at various bio's on Thor and can't find one to officially state that he has super speed.
I know that there has been comics where he was shown doing something but nothig else.
So whats up? Is this true or not?
He has been known to 'outspeed' Quicksilver and he can go toe to toe with the Silver Surfer so he must be pretty fast. . .
"He is FAST "
@ThunderShade said:
"He has been known to 'outspeed' Quicksilver and he can go toe to toe with the Silver Surfer so he must be pretty fast. . . "
But have you seen anything officially doc that he has such speeds?
It's not stated in the Marvel Encyclopedia
Not in the Marvel U series
I know his hammer allows him to travel at super-speed like in space travel
But is Thor fast in reaction speed or in battle
http://marvel.wikia.com/Thor_(Thor_Odinson)
Superhuman Speed: Thor's superhumanly strong legs allow him to run and move at superhuman speeds far greater than the finest human athlete. He is so fast, he is capable of moving at speeds faster than the human eyes can see, and he was able to create trenches before his teammates, including superhumanly fast beings such as Quicksilver, could react. He was stated by Hela herself to move at speeds beyond comprehension and he has moved as fast as the space winds and the lighting he commands.
Check the power grid on that page too. Thor has a speed of 7 out of 7.
http://marvel.com/universe/Thor
On that power grid he has an "official" rating of 6 out of 7, which means "speed of light: peak velocity up to 186,000 miles per second," but fans voted his speed as 7 out of 7. :P
"http://marvel.wikia.com/Thor_(Thor_Odinson)
Superhuman Speed: Thor's superhumanly strong legs allow him to run and move at superhuman speeds far greater than the finest human athlete. He is so fast, he is capable of moving at speeds faster than the human eyes can see, and he was able to create trenches before his teammates, including superhumanly fast beings such as Quicksilver, could react. He was stated by Hela herself to move at speeds beyond comprehension and he has moved as fast as the space winds and the lighting he commands. Check the power grid on that page too. Thor has a speed of 7 out of 7. http://marvel.com/universe/Thor On that power grid he has an "official" rating of 6 out of 7, which means "speed of light: peak velocity up to 186,000 miles per second," but fans voted his speed as 7 out of 7. :P "
Those sites are not official though
Absolutely wrong. What a wild accusation." No he never displayed High combat speed Spinning Mjolnir does not qualify as combat speed "
@StrongestOneThereIs:
Thor does have super speed/reflexes and has occasionally shown it. It's one of those powers that for some reason, he doesn't like to use a lot. While he isn't known for it or showcases it much, he does indeed possess it (guess it depends on the writers). A couple examples: In a classic Thor issue, he is actually shown to have micro-second combat speed during a fight, and more recently was faster than Quicksilver in combat.I think it is a combination of: 1) If Thor always used Super Speed in combat situations, he would be absolutely unstoppable. 2) Thor's character is more that he wants to use his immense strength and magical power to just pound and smash away and plain over power his opponents. He is known for almost always holding back and using 1/3 of his total power as well. Sometimes the way he fights, (ex: against the Hulk) he almost seems to want to make things an even fight.
I can post a few scans if you would like.
If you are talking about flight speed, yes, he absolutely has super speed. He can 'fly' (travel is probably the better word) faster than light speed, and I believe has flown several times the speed of light in the past as well.
" @StrongestOneThereIs: How is MARVEL.com not official enough for you? "
It's kinda like Wiki
"http://marvel.wikia.com/Thor_(Thor_Odinson)
Superhuman Speed: Thor's superhumanly strong legs allow him to run and move at superhuman speeds far greater than the finest human athlete. He is so fast, he is capable of moving at speeds faster than the human eyes can see, and he was able to create trenches before his teammates, including superhumanly fast beings such as Quicksilver, could react. He was stated by Hela herself to move at speeds beyond comprehension and he has moved as fast as the space winds and the lighting he commands. Check the power grid on that page too. Thor has a speed of 7 out of 7. http://marvel.com/universe/Thor On that power grid he has an "official" rating of 6 out of 7, which means "speed of light: peak velocity up to 186,000 miles per second," but fans voted his speed as 7 out of 7. :P "
Please don't use marvel.wikia.com as any kind of source of information. It is not affiliated with Marvel Comics even though the URL is tricking many into thinking they are. They put anything and everything in that website to build up characters to levels they want to. They have tried to get the "information" they add to their website to become official by hoping someone at Marvel would come across their website and believe it is correct. It has created numerous problems because of this.
As for the power grid on Marvel.com website. Those power grids have not worked for years. Thor's speed is ranked at 7 due to the use of his hammer as that rank covers vehicles for characters like Ghost Rider.
If you want an accurate telling of Thor's powers, then please check out the following link. No one can change the text as it is locked so people can't boost it up with inaccurate information.
http://marvel.com/universe/Thor_complete_powers
"@DragynWulf: His speed is actually ranked 6, not 7, on the marvel.com website. The 7 is from fan votes. The 6 is the official one. "
Don't use the Marvel.com listing, because it is broken and has not worked in years as I mentioned above, use the Handbook listing. 7 is the official rank since he can throw his hammer to simulate flight at speeds up to Mach 32.
http://marvel.com/universe/Thor_complete_powers
"By throwing Mjolnir while grasping its leather thong, Thor can simulate flight at speeds up to Mach 32 (over 24,000 mph)."
http://marvel.com/universe/OHOTMU:Power_Grids#SPEED
The ability to move over land by running or flight
1 = Below normal
2 = Normal
3 = Subsonic Superhuman: peak velocity below Mach-1 (approximately 760 miles per hour)
4 = Speed of sound: peak velocity between Mach-1 to Mach-2
5 = Supersonic: peak velocity between Mach-2 to Orbital Velocity approximately 17,000 mph)
6 = Speed of light: peak velocity up to 186,000 miles per second
7 = Warp speed: transcending light speed or a teleporter(instantaneous travel)
@DragynWulf: Speaking of shitty pwoer listings i believe they had put Cyttorack higher then Galactus :/.
"Thor is stated by Adam Warlock to be as fast or even faster than Lightning (which is 270,000+ mph) and with Mjolnir, he can travel 3x faster than the speed of light. However, his hammer has been shown to travel billions of times faster than light and has teleportation powers. "
hes around as fast as lightning so thats superspeed there and he can throw the hammer at three times the speed of light and grab hold of it possibly but thats flight speed and i only seen him do that from comics 30 years ago
Thor's most definitely faster than most people give him credit for.
@Valtot:
So? And recently during Siege he instantly flew to the edge of the Sun, and in Astonishing Thor, he flew to Uranus I believe, although I don't think it was instantaneous because there was enough time for a short memory sequence.
His current Speed is 7 (Warp Speed, Tracending Light Speed)" @Ry Fryy said:
"http://marvel.wikia.com/Thor_(Thor_Odinson)Those sites are not official though "
Superhuman Speed: Thor's superhumanly strong legs allow him to run and move at superhuman speeds far greater than the finest human athlete. He is so fast, he is capable of moving at speeds faster than the human eyes can see, and he was able to create trenches before his teammates, including superhumanly fast beings such as Quicksilver, could react. He was stated by Hela herself to move at speeds beyond comprehension and he has moved as fast as the space winds and the lighting he commands. Check the power grid on that page too. Thor has a speed of 7 out of 7. http://marvel.com/universe/Thor On that power grid he has an "official" rating of 6 out of 7, which means "speed of light: peak velocity up to 186,000 miles per second," but fans voted his speed as 7 out of 7. :P "
He has shown light speed a lot of times, so yes, it's canon he is a 7.
wheres that profile from cause it doesnt say anything about him moving speed of light on it. Ok though if he spins his hammer and grabs it while it goes triple light speed than thats warp light speed in flight. And that last pic is from over 30 years ago im guessing do you have any others more current. That other pic you showed never stated speed and it could of gone by in 2 seconds or 10 minutes-.
" Thor's most definitely faster than most people give him credit for.Yep
@Valtot: So? And recently during Siege he instantly flew to the edge of the Sun, and in Astonishing Thor, he flew to Uranus I believe, although I don't think it was instantaneous because there was enough time for a short memory sequence. "
" @Deadcool:1)wheres that profile from cause it doesnt say anything about him moving speed of light on it. Ok though if he spins his hammer and grabs it while it goes triple light speed than thats warp light speed in flight. And that last pic is from 1) over 30 years ago im guessing do you have any others more current. That other pic you showed never stated speed and 3) it could of gone by in 2 seconds or 10 minutes-. "
- Look at the power grid, he has a 7 in speed.
- I have current pics too, but it doesn't expalin his speed, just like old comics used to do.
- Well, at least he seems to be pretty fast in that pic, lol.
" @DeadCool Wow, According to that chart, his fighting skills and intelligence are pretty poor...If those are his stats I wonder what Hulk's are... "I don't know what the hell with fighting skills, almost all the powerful characters have poor fighting skills, but he is suposed to be the God of thunder and also War (and a lot of more things).
And I don't know why the power grid doesn't show the intelligence of the Dr Donald Blake in yellow bars (he is suposed to have a Genius level).
yes but teleportation also counts as warp speed but your right he can spin the hammer at 3 times the speed of light and grab onto it for flight speed but he wouldnt do that in mid combat lol hed leave earth to fast or kill alot of people or even in space as its flight speed. But yes for the querstion of the thread hes got super speed just not high and mighty speedster speed. Bty i know about the power ratings but they depend on alot of things like teleportation and such. The reason for fighting style is because thor is a experienced fighter we all know that but he isnt a master of a single fighting style or many unless hammer combat is one lol. But ye hes super speed in combat can go to lighting speeds but not warp speed thats for straight travel. I hope everything we have shown and said answers the thread starters questions. Didnt know thors intell was at 2 lol
" @Deadcool:1) yes but teleportation also counts as warp speed but your right he can spin the hammer at 3 times the speed of light and grab onto it for flight speed but he wouldnt do that in mid combat lol hed leave earth to fast or kill alot of people or even in space as its flight speed. But yes for the querstion of the thread hes got super speed just not high and mighty speedster speed. 1) Bty i know about the power ratings but they depend on alot of things like teleportation and such. 2)The reason for fighting style is because thor is a experienced fighter we all know that but he isnt a master of a single fighting style or many unless hammer combat is one lol. But ye hes super speed in combat can go to lighting speeds but not warp speed thats for straight travel. I hope everything we have shown and said answers the thread starters questions. 3)Didnt know thors intell was at 2 lol "
- Yes but if he were a 7 for his teleportation he would have yellow bars isntead all red, just like Ultimate Thor.
- Oh well, maybe you are right, Vikings are not known for being Martial Artists, they are known for being salvage Berserkers.
- Yes he has just normal intelligence, but I think that Donald Blake's intelligence should be noted there in yellow bars, he is a 5.
Here, Thor fights Heimdall and swings his hammer down on him at speeds "moving too swiftly for the eye to follow," even too fast for Heimdall in Journey Into Mystery #125:
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Stats/ThorSuperspeed06JIM125.jpg
Thor digs a trench in a blur of motion that is "almost too fast for the human eye to follow." From Marvel Team-Up #26:
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Stats/ThorSuperspeed10MarvelTeam-Up26.jpg
While helping rebuild Asgard, Thor hammers down repeatedly on a pillar and "becomes a blur of motion" in Thor #267:
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Stats/ThorSuperspeed14267.jpg
Here, Thor reacts to a knife being swung down only inches from his face with a mighty heave in Thor #218:
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Stats/ThorSuperspeed11218.jpg
Thor reacts and swats away arrows that are only a few feet away from hitting him from behind in Thor vol. 2 #27:
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Stats/ThorSuperspeed23v207.jpg
Thor is about to have his face smashed by a cursed Mjolnir which is zooming back to him, but he moves swiftly enough on reaction to dodge it in Thor vol. 2 #27:
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Stats/ThorSuperspeed25.jpg
Here, Thor builds a trench around crazed citizens and Avengers, including a zooming Quicksilver in Avengers #98:
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Stats/ThorSuperspeed09Avengers098.jpg
Here, Thor punks the Newman speedster, Juvan, who was created by the High Evolutionary, using nothing but his bare hands in Thor #447:
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Stats/ThorSuperspeed17447.jpg
Here, Thor catches another High Evolutionary creation who possesses superspeed, the godling, Zefra in Thor #475:
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Stats/ThorSuperspeed21475.jpg
And Thor has punked the superspeedster, Hermes, the literal Greek God of Speed, not just once, but twice in Avengers #281 and Thor vol. 2 #27:
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Stats/ThorSuperspeed16Avengers281.jpg
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Stats/ThorSuperspeed24.jpg
Here, he literally snatches a fired tank shell out of mid-air with his bare hand in Journey Into Mystery #93:
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Stats/ThorSuperspeed02JIM93.jpg
Here, we see Thor flying outside a window and when Jane Foster gets his attention, Thor manages to intercept Cobra's poison dart within a split-second. The dart is fired before he even is inside the room, just to give you the proper frame of reference to understand the speed and reflexes necessary in Journey Into Mystery #98:
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Stats/ThorSuperspeed03JIM98.jpg
Here, in the space of micro-seconds before a zooming cursed Mjolnir will strike Thor from behind, Thor lays a haymaker onto an Enchanter and spins around in time to snatch Mjolnir in mid-air, from Thor #144:
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Stats/ThorSuperspeed08144.jpg
As for FTL reactions that can be measured in nanoseconds (light travels one foot per nanosecond), he's swung and swatted away Blastaar's energy blasts in Thor #270:
http://i388.photobucket.com/albums/oo326/OneDumbG0/Thor%20Stats/ThorSuperspeed15270.jpg
Vs Quicksilver
Thor:"i have vanquished fleeter foes"
http://s980.photobucket.com/albums/ae289/ankur2292/?action=view¤t=TMA034020.jpg
http://s980.photobucket.com/albums/ae289/ankur2292/?action=view¤t=TMA034020.jpg
Thor's best feats of speed come from his Classic Stan/Jack comics, JMS also had some cool feats with him putting Thor back near classical / odinforce levels
Brian Bendis and JoeQ the pair who basically controlled Marvel Marvel verse from 2002 - 2010 didn't care for Thor, they preferred to fan wank a lame character called Sentry and give any super feats to this lame new character. Thor was put on the bench as a new really lame character was forced down everyone's throat, but times change . Thor having a big box office movie will probably come back to being the lead face for Marvel but the past decade he wasn't, Marvel hated him, he was just a dumb beefcake with a hammer that Hulk would beat on
and Marvel's super rank was changed, top ties changed, they replaced him with Sentry. The company Marvel never had copyright to the Thor brand, he's not Stan or Marvel he's myth like Zeus or Osiris...its mythology so nobody owns him but opinions at Marvel HQ change
With the success of Xmen and Ironman Marvel gambled and made an investment in Thor, it paid of and his comics and movie did very well
if you want speed feats for Thor go back to the years when JoeQ and Bendis weren't at Marvel, also avoid years between Kurt Busiek/Tom Brevoort although both of these guys are good writers neither of them understood Thor, the writer Busiek claimed a few times that Thor would be seriously injured by a bullet....LOL epic fail
Go to Classic or JMS for his feats, avoid the rest
That site also states that Warpath can fly...how long has it been since he can't do that?@Ry Fryy said:
@StrongestOneThereIs: How is MARVEL.com not official enough for you?lol good point
Also says that Sunspot still has all of his original abilities but he has been written differently in the last couple of years.
That site is hardly up to date.
Ok... find a site on comics that is perfect. lol. they arent. people disagree on characters/ events. not to mention characters change over time because of how they are written. good job finding issue with MARVEL.com, but its not a big deal. there are tons of issues with comicvine as well. that seems to just be how this works. plus sunspot and warpath have nothing to do with this thread. finding issue in their details doesnt mean the whole site is useless and outdated.
look at the post above from TheCosmicMind. that kind of settles it anyway.
Never said any site was perfect.Ok... find a site on comics that is perfect. lol. they arent. people disagree on characters/ events. not to mention characters change over time because of how they are written. good job finding issue with MARVEL.com, but its not a big deal. there are tons of issues with comicvine as well. that seems to just be how this works. plus sunspot and warpath have nothing to do with this thread. finding issue in their details doesnt mean the whole site is useless and outdated. look at the post above from TheCosmicMind. that kind of settles it anyway.
They were examples to show that characters are hardly kept up to date on that site. Pretty sure if i had the time I could find more.
And I've seen most of Thor's speed feats from decades ago. I'm referring to how things are today.
Yes.
Comparing him with a character like Superman is tricky though, because DC has lots of fast characters and Superman is more popular than Thor. This sort of means that Superman will end up having far more examples of using super speed. Not just that, a writer things of Superman, he is going to probably mention it as one of his main powers. With Thor, its more of a secondary power. Well, I mean the speed reactions and use of speed against characters. Up in space he flies faster than light. So anyway, sometimes when Thor fights a really weak character? Chances are he will be slowed down (Puma for example) but if Thor is fighting a character that is a bit more powerful? Thor's speed and the guy he is fighting speed is more matched (think Gladiator, Wonder Man, Silver Surfer, etc etc)
So depends really. Context and circumstance. Creative discretion. (this applies for a few characters too)
Yes. Comparing him with a character like Superman is tricky though, because DC has lots of fast characters and Superman is more popular than Thor. This sort of means that Superman will end up having far more examples of using super speed. Not just that, a writer things of Superman, he is going to probably mention it as one of his main powers. With Thor, its more of a secondary power. Well, I mean the speed reactions and use of speed against characters. Up in space he flies faster than light. So anyway, sometimes when Thor fights a really weak character? Chances are he will be slowed down (Puma for example) but if Thor is fighting a character that is a bit more powerful? Thor's speed and the guy he is fighting speed is more matched (think Gladiator, Wonder Man, Silver Surfer, etc etc) So depends really. Context and circumstance. Creative discretion. (this applies for a few characters too)
Agreed
@DragynWulf said:
@Ry Fryy said:"@DragynWulf: His speed is actually ranked 6, not 7, on the marvel.com website. The 7 is from fan votes. The 6 is the official one. "
Don't use the Marvel.com listing, because it is broken and has not worked in years as I mentioned above, use the Handbook listing. 7 is the official rank since he can throw his hammer to simulate flight at speeds up to Mach 32.
http://marvel.com/universe/Thor_complete_powers
"By throwing Mjolnir while grasping its leather thong, Thor can simulate flight at speeds up to Mach 32 (over 24,000 mph)."
http://marvel.com/universe/OHOTMU:Power_Grids#SPEEDThe ability to move over land by running or flight
1 = Below normal
2 = Normal
3 = Subsonic Superhuman: peak velocity below Mach-1 (approximately 760 miles per hour)
4 = Speed of sound: peak velocity between Mach-1 to Mach-2
5 = Supersonic: peak velocity between Mach-2 to Orbital Velocity approximately 17,000 mph)
6 = Speed of light: peak velocity up to 186,000 miles per second
7 = Warp speed: transcending light speed or a teleporter(instantaneous travel)
*confused*
24,000 MPH < 186,000 miles PER SECOND...... right? Seems like about level 5 to me.
Also: I wish they would just define the character's powers from the beginning and stick to those limits. Basically all these heavy hitters can just do anything. G-d that's boring.
Yes.
Comparing him with a character like Superman is tricky though, because DC has lots of fast characters and Superman is more popular than Thor. This sort of means that Superman will end up having far more examples of using super speed. Not just that, a writer things of Superman, he is going to probably mention it as one of his main powers. With Thor, its more of a secondary power. Well, I mean the speed reactions and use of speed against characters. Up in space he flies faster than light. So anyway, sometimes when Thor fights a really weak character? Chances are he will be slowed down (Puma for example) but if Thor is fighting a character that is a bit more powerful? Thor's speed and the guy he is fighting speed is more matched (think Gladiator, Wonder Man, Silver Surfer, etc etc)
So depends really. Context and circumstance. Creative discretion. (this applies for a few characters too)
eh? wonderman??
His combat speed has been shown to be below Wolverines, on panel. Thor even confirms this, on panel.
He is faster than any normal being, he could be categorized as having super human speed, but he is millions of times slower than Supes or Surfer. Anyone who is arguing that is out of their minds.
Yes.
Comparing him with a character like Superman is tricky though, because DC has lots of fast characters and Superman is more popular than Thor. This sort of means that Superman will end up having far more examples of using super speed. Not just that, a writer things of Superman, he is going to probably mention it as one of his main powers. With Thor, its more of a secondary power. Well, I mean the speed reactions and use of speed against characters. Up in space he flies faster than light. So anyway, sometimes when Thor fights a really weak character? Chances are he will be slowed down (Puma for example) but if Thor is fighting a character that is a bit more powerful? Thor's speed and the guy he is fighting speed is more matched (think Gladiator, Wonder Man, Silver Surfer, etc etc)
So depends really. Context and circumstance. Creative discretion. (this applies for a few characters too)
wonderman isnt fast nor is captain britian but wonderman can shoot energy so that mite match his speed
@pastepotpete: Saying that he isn't fast without a reference point isn't really that helpful as far affirming or denying a claim about him. They are fictional characters so it depends, but to me any character that leaves speed trails and can surprise other characters with how fast they move, act react and so on I am considering fast for the purpose of my aforementioned point. Hope that helps.
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