Poll Is Raditz A Planet Buster? (172 votes)
I say no, or at least, he shouldn't be. toriyama really messed up making roshi a moon buster (I know moons are really tiny in the DB universe though); it messed up DBZ power scaling forever after that
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I say no, or at least, he shouldn't be. toriyama really messed up making roshi a moon buster (I know moons are really tiny in the DB universe though); it messed up DBZ power scaling forever after that
@mrx1122: Pluto, maybe.
Earth, no.
@gnomishness: he could most definately destroy pluto
There's zero evidence that any DB character before Saiyan Saga Vegeta can planet bust, and even that can be argued.
There's zero evidence that any DB character before Saiyan Saga Vegeta can planet bust, and even that can be argued.
this is true ^
Yes obviously, can he bust a planet the size of Earth in one attack? Debatable... Can he bust a plant? 100%
He is moon level, but there are some planets as small as our moon.
Though King Cold even mentioned Earth was a small planet.
Story wise Raditz is not a planet buster.
if its a planet the size of pluto then sure why not
lol true
Nope. The most impressive feat we saw before Raditz showed up was Piccolo destroying an island/country(according to other sources it is apparently the size of a continent, but actual size says otherwise)
@deathhero61: roshi destroyed a moon
Yes, the guy that's three times stronger than the guy that utterly vaporized the moon would have the power to blow the Earth apart.
Piccolo didn't just bust the moon. He turned it into nothing! With a casual blast...
Yes, the guy that's three times stronger than the guy that utterly vaporized the moon would have the power to blow the Earth apart.
Piccolo didn't just bust the moon. He turned it into nothing! With a casual blast...
Precisely.
Yes, the guy that's three times stronger than the guy that utterly vaporized the moon would have the power to blow the Earth apart.
Piccolo didn't just bust the moon. He turned it into nothing! With a casual blast...
Precisely.
I mean yes the Earth is quite a bit larger than the moon to say the least. But power capable of destroying the moon would still be disastrous for Earth, there's an argument to be made for Piccolo already being a planet buster, since his moon bust wasn't even a powerful attack for him. Raditz though? Definitely. Maybe not turn the planet into dust, but blow it apart, absolutely.
For info, Piccolo obliterated the moon in the manga (DB #208) with a Power Level of 408 (in the anime there are huge chunks of moon flying everywhere). The Earth is 49.5x bigger than the moon and has about 81x as much mass. Depending on whether or not the ki blasts destroy volume or mass, Raditz would need a Power Level of 20,196 or 33,048 to destroy the Earth in the same manner as Piccolo did the moon.
With a power level of 1,500 (Daizenshuu 7), Raditz would need a Power Level of 1,832 to destroy Mercury by mass, but 1,128 to be able to destroy Mercury by volume. By volume, the largest moon or planet that Raditz would be able to destroy by Piccolo's standards is Ganymede, Jupiters largest moon and the largest moon in the Solar System, which is bigger than Mercury and Pluto. By mass it's no different except for Mercury. Raditz can destroy every individual thing in the Solar System by mass to the same standard as Piccolo with the moon except for Mercury, Mars, Venus, Earth, Uranus, Neptune Saturn, Jupiter and the Sun.
Chances are, he'd be able to destroy larger things than Ganymede but they'd take much longer to blow like Namek did when Frieza held too much power back, but who know's how big a planet he could actually destroy.
Nappa would be able to destroy Mars out-right and Vegeta would be closer to Venus level.
@nickzambuto said:
Yes, the guy that's three times stronger than the guy that utterly vaporized the moon would have the power to blow the Earth apart.
Piccolo didn't just bust the moon. He turned it into nothing! With a casual blast...
Precisely.
I mean yes the Earth is quite a bit larger than the moon to say the least. But power capable of destroying the moon would still be disastrous for Earth, there's an argument to be made for Piccolo already being a planet buster, since his moon bust wasn't even a powerful attack for him. Raditz though? Definitely. Maybe not turn the planet into dust, but blow it apart, absolutely.
@nickzambuto: This is the best and most logical explanation.
Destruction yes, total obliteration no
Raditz isn't a planet level character more like Moon level.
Yeah Roshi moon bust was an outlier because it condtradicts further characters power scaling. In DB The top tiers busted a city and a island with their best attacks, so it's not illogical to downplay and disregard Roshi's Moon bust.
Just look at Tao who is Mach 14 speed yet his shitty hand grenade level durability.
I think it's like this:
Star Level:
Imperfect Cell
#16
Metal Cooler
#17
#18
SSJ Vegeta
SSJ Goku
Small Star Level:
SSJ Yardrat Goku
Android Arc Piccolo
Final Form Cooler
#20
#19
SSJ Future Trunks
SSJ Goku
100% Frieza
Large Planet Level:
4th Form Frieza
Zenkai Goku
Third Form Frieza
Nail Fused Piccolo
Second Form Frieza
Frieza
Planet Level:
Gravity Training Goku
Captain Ginyu
Jeice
Burter
Recoome
Zarbon
Dodoria
Kaio Ken Goku
Vegeta
Cui
Small Planet Level:
Goku Ressurected
Nappa
Moon Level:
Saiyan Arc Piccolo
Saiyan Arc Tien
Saiyan Arc Krillin
Raditz
Saiyan Arc Yamcha
Saibamen
BOZ Goku
BOZ Piccolo
Island Level:
Teen Goku
Teen Piccolo
City Level:
Kami
Mr. Popo
Kid Goku (divine water)
King Piccolo
Cyborg Mercenary Tao
Small City Level:
King Piccolo (old)
22nd Budokai Goku
22nd Budokai Tien
Master Roshi
22nd Budokai Krillin
22nd Budokai Yamcha
Red Ribbon Arc Kid Goku
Grandpa Gohan
Mercenary Tao
@nickzambuto: This is the best and most logical explanation.
Destruction yes, total obliteration no
Yeah, he may have a point there
I'll try doing this another way, instead of just guessing. We know Piccolo's max PL was 408. We don't know how much of that 408 Piccolo used to destroy the moon, but it;s the only figure we have so I'll use it. Yes, Roshi also destroyed the Moon, but Roshi was also strong enough to take on several of Frieza's goons who typically have a PL of over 1,000, and when Roshi destroyed the moon he said "full power", so Roshi could have easily over-done it in buff mode.
You dont see how the moon is destroyed when Piccolo does it, only that its there one frame and gone in another. Presumably it was vaporised.
So based on the fact with a PL of at most 408 Piccolo probably vaporised the Moon, this is a scaling of the largest bodies in the Solar System by volume and how big of a PL they'd need to be destroyed in the same manner:
Name | Volume (x10^9 km^3) | PL Equivalent |
---|---|---|
Pluto | 7 | 130 |
Triton (Neptune) | 10 | 185 |
Europa (Jupiter) | 16 | 297 |
The Moon | 22 | 408 |
Io (Jupiter) | 25 | 464 |
Callisto (Jupiter) | 59 | 1,094 |
Mercury | 61 | 1,131 |
Titan (Saturn) | 72 | 1,335 |
Ganymede (Jupiter) | 76 | 1,409 |
Mars | 163 | 3,023 |
Venus | 928 | 17,210 |
Earth | 1,083 | 20,084 |
Neptune | 62,540 | 1,159,833 |
Uranus | 68,340 | 1,267,396 |
Saturn | 827,130 | 15,339,502 |
Jupiter | 1,431,280 | 26,543,738 |
The Sun | 1,414,300,000 | 26,228,836,364 |
Name | Mass (x10^21kg) | PL Equivalent |
---|---|---|
Pluto | 13 | 72 |
Triton (Neptune) | 22 | 121 |
Europa (Jupiter) | 48 | 265 |
The Moon | 74 | 408 |
Io (Jupiter) | 89 | 491 |
Callisto (Jupiter) | 108 | 595 |
Titan (Saturn) | 135 | 744 |
Ganymede (Jupiter) | 148 | 816 |
Mercury | 330 | 1,819 |
Mars | 642 | 3,540 |
Venus | 4,869 | 26,845 |
Earth | 5,974 | 32,938 |
Uranus | 86,832 | 478,749 |
Neptune | 102,430 | 564,749 |
Saturn | 568,460 | 3,134,211 |
Jupiter | 1,898,600 | 10,467,957 |
The Sun | 1,988,550,000 | 10,963,897,297 |
Depends on if you think destruction is based on mass or size when it comes to Ki blasts. Either Way, known Power Levels are:
And Super Cell estimates himself to be Solar System level or 1.002x Sun - which would be 10,985,825,092 (91.5x stronger than Frieza) according to mass and 26,281,294,037 (219x stronger than Frieza) according to volume.
@deathhero61: roshi destroyed a moon
Outlier feat considering his max kamehameha only destroyed a mountain and that was when he was pushing himself to the max.
@deathhero61: that wasn't anywhere near his max lmao. He was trying to put out the flames on Mt fry-pan for the ox king. He literally couldn't suppress his power enough to not destroy the mountain.
@johncena69swag: Seemed more like he couldn't control his full power and ended up blowing up only the mountain in the first place, but yet he can casually direct his power to the moon without causing destruction to his surroundings? Along with the fact that full powered attacks from Piccolo and Goku didn't go any farther than the island/country/continent they were on? Quite honestly Piccolo busting a moon makes more sense than Roshi doing it, due to the fact that his father could destroy cities, then Piccolo during 23rd budokai razed the island and was throwing around the equvialent of a Tsar bomb all over, on top of the fact that Piccolo was winded and was panting after busting the moon.(Roshi still had enough energy to continue fighting Goku in close quarters combat for a short bit after destroying the moon) Heck King Piccolo who was way stronger than Roshi by his own admission was only a city buster and actually exerted himself launching blasts of said magnitude.....i have my theories on why this is possible, but consistently, Roshi shouldn't be capable of destroying the moon. If he had that much firepower then the claim that he couldn't beat the RRA on his own is kind of weird don't you think?
@deathhero61: It's called the power of plot.
@deathhero61: who said goku and piccolo were stronger than buff Roshi? And who said goku and piccolo's attacks were full power directed at the planet? Why does Roshi's Kamehameha have to damage the area around him when it never behaved like that at any point in the series?
@deathhero61: who said goku and piccolo were stronger than buff Roshi? And who said goku and piccolo's attacks were full power directed at the planet? Why does Roshi's Kamehameha have to damage the area around him when it never behaved like that at any point in the series?
Roshi himself said Gok surpassed him long time ago, and also said King Piccolo was beyond his power.....Akira is actually pretty inconsistent with Buff Roshi's abilities. It doesn't have to damage the area around him, but the fact that he could casually chuck a moon buster accurately without hurting Goku or accidently releasing too much power, but fail to control a mountain buster kind of tells me something.
if its a planet the size of pluto then sure why not
But Pluto isn't a planet
if its a planet the size of pluto then sure why not
But Pluto isn't a planet
he didn't say it was
I like the post about planets size/mass and correlations to power levels. looks better than random assumptions
@kute said:
if its a planet the size of pluto then sure why not
But Pluto isn't a planet
he didn't say it was
Well fair enough, but you can't really have a planet the size of Pluto. The whole reason Pluto isn't a planet anymore is because it's too small right?
@kute said:
if its a planet the size of pluto then sure why not
But Pluto isn't a planet
he didn't say it was
Well fair enough, but you can't really have a planet the size of Pluto. The whole reason Pluto isn't a planet anymore is because it's too small right?
I think it has to do with how its orbit its not aligned on the same plane as the other planets, among other things, i assume there are many variables taken into account
@kute said:
if its a planet the size of pluto then sure why not
But Pluto isn't a planet
he didn't say it was
Well fair enough, but you can't really have a planet the size of Pluto. The whole reason Pluto isn't a planet anymore is because it's too small right?
I think it has to do with how its orbit its not aligned on the same plane as the other planets, among other things, i assume there are many variables taken into account
I thought it was because of a circular-ish orbit, and being spherical but I know that doesn't account for Ceres, so I looked it up. A planet has to orbit a star, have large enough gravity to be round, and have cleared it orbit of smaller things like asteroids. Apparently the last bit is why Pluto isn't a planet and why Ceres isn't a planet.
@kute said:
if its a planet the size of pluto then sure why not
But Pluto isn't a planet
he didn't say it was
Well fair enough, but you can't really have a planet the size of Pluto. The whole reason Pluto isn't a planet anymore is because it's too small right?
I think it has to do with how its orbit its not aligned on the same plane as the other planets, among other things, i assume there are many variables taken into account
I thought it was because of a circular-ish orbit, and being spherical but I know that doesn't account for Ceres, so I looked it up. A planet has to orbit a star, have large enough gravity to be round, and have cleared it orbit of smaller things like asteroids. Apparently the last bit is why Pluto isn't a planet and why Ceres isn't a planet.
Cool thx, i knew it had something to do with its orbit :P
Yes, the guy that's three times stronger than the guy that utterly vaporized the moon would have the power to blow the Earth apart.
Piccolo didn't just bust the moon. He turned it into nothing! With a casual blast...
The moon is roughly 81 times less massive than the Earth,I doubt Raditz was 81 times stronger than the guy who killed him lol.
Yes Piccolo didn't have much difficulty in destroying it,and Raditz was stronger than BoZ Piccolo by a fair bit,but 81 is quite a big number no?I doubt Raditz could oneshot Earth the same way Freeza or Buu could.
Yes, the guy that's three times stronger than the guy that utterly vaporized the moon would have the power to blow the Earth apart.
Piccolo didn't just bust the moon. He turned it into nothing! With a casual blast...
The moon is roughly 81 times less massive than the Earth,I doubt Raditz was 81 times stronger than the guy who killed him lol.
Yes Piccolo didn't have much difficulty in destroying it,and Raditz was stronger than BoZ Piccolo by a fair bit,but 81 is quite a big number no?I doubt Raditz could oneshot Earth the same way Freeza or Buu could.
Piccolo utterly vaporized the moon. Hitting the Earth with an attack like that should already be enough to blow it into pieces. Freeza and Boo were strong enough to turn planets into dust, and Raditz can't do that. But he can definitely blow the Earth apart.
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