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@ashrym:

Aquaman is going to turn a profit despite some of your implications.

Are you sure? Don't forget that comic book bubble numbers and Dwayne Johnson numbers are not really accurate when it comes to movie profit. lol

The most influential international market is China where movie studios are only entitled to 25 percent of the revenue.

It's been out almost 2 weeks and made more than The Marvel's full run and overtaking other CBM's of the year.

The Marvels was a total disaster.

Probably ~$450 range for a bit of a profit at the rate it's going and not nearly the global take of the first movie but given how the year's gone so far it seems to be doing better than the standard.

$450M and profit production would have to cost a lot less.

So that franchises can stay healthy, sequels to $1B movies have to do at least $700M and show staying power.

The current standard is really low, compare with franchises that will probably die, means?

So, the comic book movie era is officially over. But what changed? Which franchises were boosted? Downgraded? Remained the same?

Lets say the comic book movie era started in 2012, time period where there was not much discussion that at the top of the pyramid was Batman and then Spider-Man with Iron Man creating pretty good roots.

Now.

Top Tier

- The Avengers (original team obviously)

Tier 1 (Franchises that independently of several factors always make close to $1B or much more)

1 - Spider-Man

2 - Iron Man

3 - Batman

Tier 2 (Franchises that independently of several factors always make money)

1 - Guardians of the Galaxy

2 - Deadpool

3 - Joker

4 - Thor

5 - Captain America (Steve Rogers)

6 - Black Panther

7 - Doctor Strange

Tier 3 (Franchises that need few positive favorable factors to make money)

1 - Wolverine

2 - Venom

2 - Black Widow

3 - X-Men

4 - Superman

5 - Ant-Man

Tier 4 (Franchises that either are one hit wonders or need everything aligned to survive in the movie medium)

1 - Aquaman

2 - Wonder Woman

3 - Suicide Squad

4 - Captain Marvel

5 - Watchmen

6 - Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles

7 - Blade

Tier 5 (Franchises that (apparently) not have enough potential for the movie medium)

1 - Fantastic Four

2 - Eternals

3 - Shang Chi

4 - Black Adam

5 - Flash

5 - Shazam

5 - Blue Beetle

6 - Green Lantern

7 - Hellboy

8 - Jonah Hex

- Ignored small (budget) movies like Kick-Ass, and franchise that went for Tv or streaming or whatever, like Ghost Rider, Daredevil, Elektra, Punisher, Constantine etc. Superman also went, but is coming back...

- Yeah probably forgot someone...

Even with all the listed problems, Aquaman 2 is released in a time that at least in terms of domestic box office, people do go to the movie theaters daily, so yeah, it had to be the worse comic book ever to not do better than a really low bar that is "The Marvels".

The Marvels (2023)

The Marvels’ Amiss With $110M Global Opening

Is the The Marvels trying to beat records?

Spin it for wherever or whatever you want, but yeah the hard truth is that Feige was as arrogant as Kathleen Kennedy, yet the movie medium is still too big to be "manipulated", that notion of "you wanted this but you don't know it yet" got exposed again".

Obviously that there is comic book movie fatigue, Feige fault again, he trivialized his premium franchise, but this catastrophic numbers [remember pandemic Eternals (2021) did $71M in the domestic opening weekend] are result of how Carol Danvers and specially Brie Larson "refuse" to be just one more, in that Mcu family that one day had spectators not wanting to miss any chapter.

In what sense, does the "my preferences are superior and beat your preferences" cv mindset, help in awareness & wild life conservation?

When there are more Tigers in captivity than in the wild, i find threads like this only dumb.

Obviously downgrade. Perceiving how retarded is Cv battle mentality, some users will dislike living creature A because of preferences insecurity.

How much weight has the argument that if the comic book movies are good and have good critics and audiences reception, there will be no fatigue factor?

Thor: Love and Thunder

Rotten Tomatoes reported an approval rating of 63%, with an average rating of 6.4/10, based on 443 reviews. Audiences polled by CinemaScore gave the film an average grade of "B+".

Grosses

Dosmestic (45.1%)

$343,256,830

International (54.9%) (No China release)

$417,671,251

WORLDWIDE

$760,928,081

Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 3

Rotten Tomatoes reported an approval rating of 81% based on 391 reviews with an average rating of 7.2/10. Audiences polled by CinemaScore gave the film an average grade of "A".

Grosses

Domestic (42.5%)

$358,995,815

International (57.5%) (With China $86M)

$486,516,307

WORLDWIDE

$845,512,122

So if you take GotG vol 3 China's box office, both movies did the same!?

NOPE. Not just the tone, unfortunately Taika doesn't get Thor/Asgard and the magnitude of the worldbuilding.

But yeah Ragnarok was a great movie, i get the feeling that some DC fans could not overcome the head to head with Justice League back in 2017. Let it go... The Dceu is over now.

Interesting, in what metric? Sure the movie is pretty terrible, but performed better? You only could be referring to the box office, that even without China was like less $10M that The Batman, in current days $760M for a comic book movie is not bad at all, special when the movie is not good at all. Besides, the profit it was still in Deadline’s 2022 Most Valuable Blockbuster.

Flops aside, the Dceu never really had that WIN, basically in the comic book era peak it was Logan, Deadpool, and the MCU generating the boost, i would argue that the DCEU didn't have any of the following movies, that were wins in all fronts.

Iron Man

The Avengers

Captain America: The Winter Soldier

Guardians of the Galaxy

Captain America: Civil War

Doctor Strange

Spider-Man: Homecoming

Thor: Ragnarok

Avengers: Infinity War

Spider-Man: Far From Home

Some of you will say 2017 Wonder Woman, but later we saw that like with Black Panther there was a clearly (strong) political factor with both movies.