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@aqua1: I'll be that guy. Jiren still wins.The super hero movie which happens 2 years after the Gas fight and Black Frieza showing himself has Goku and Vegeta state straight up that Jiren is still the...

MUI Goku is only good for like 15 seconds. As stated his accuracy and reactions drop rapidly the longer he is in the form.But for those 15 seconds he's a beast. And could probably swerve Beerus hard u...

TDP and all the old DB haters sure got quiet after all that denial on the first page when I tried to enlighten them to da way.

@thegod2: toribot also has scans of him creating the Dr slum verse while he drank coffee.And another where he tells Vegeta he changed the plot to make him survive.He drew the picture of him x'd out. H...

@thegod2: impossible. Toribot is toriyama himself. So he's omnipotent and blinks battler and his verse

There is a reason Beerus doesn't try to big boy Goku anymore, but is perfectly fine with bullying Vegeta.He can't bully Goku anymore. He stomped SBBE Vegeta but so could Goku at this point.Toyo is try...

SPOILERSThe Archangels dominate.Death was going to kill GodStiel, and in the newest episode Lucifer snapped the new death effortlessly lol.Mismatch

SpoilersThe new death got snapped by lucifer.This is now spite.As Michael killed Lucifer and Michael got instasmited by Chuck.

Is this Chuck or Chuckmara?Chuck said in the new episode he is omniscient and controls the plot. Only thing is he can't read his death book, BUT he knows how he dies anyway because he made the plot.Th...

Multi universal. Hes low angel tier now.He took a hit from Moro a universe+ buster at full power to the chest and it broke Moros arm

Well in the anime MUI Goku can probably already take Beerus in a close fight.In the Manga he probably loses a majority but pushes Beerus to 100%.By the end of the series I expect both Goku and Vegeta ...

they can go into space for short bursts. But thats it.Goku teleported into space and saved 17. So he can enter space. He just can't stay there.

@jack_hart: Goku was using UI wrong against Moro. They talk about how he's forcing it.And UI omen is far less powerful than MUI

@dangannopoopoo: he uses GoD energy in the Anime. He becomes a full God of Destruction so he has God ki

Moro curbed UI Goku this is a massive mismatch.

Buu stomps base gohan.Base gohan was not that impressive.

None can truly win because of Toribot, who is Toriyama himself aka omnipotent.Other anime verses with Omnipotents can stalemate.Toribot has been shown to have complete total control over the verse, he...

Vegeta currently is like 25x his regular ssb while in his new form.While 17 is shown to be right around ssb level. 18 is way weaker than that. And cell is fodder.Add them together and MAYBE they could...